Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Will be interesting to see how the fire break ends in Wales.

And how the experience of Wale sis used, or ignored, in handling that in England.

Wales will be ignored I’m afraid. They can’t be seen to be doing better than England. The whole individual England, Scotland, Wales approach has been a complete disaster. A mega clusterfuck with every leader doing something different just for the sake of it and for ego. Sturgeon is getting a frothy clunge at the thought of imposing a COVID border.

Why not get everyone together for a U.K. wide strategy?

 

[oyster]

Wales will be ignored I’m afraid. They can’t be seen to be doing better than England. The whole individual England, Scotland, Wales approach has been a complete disaster. A mega clusterfuck with every leader doing something different just for the sake of it and for ego. Sturgeon is getting a frothy clunge at the thought of imposing a COVID border.

Why not get everyone together for a U.K. wide strategy?

I fear that ignored will indeed be what happens.

Drakeford has repeatedly explained that he is not being kept in the loop. All too often he finds out about things just like us - from the media and personal reports.

I don't blame the devolved governments for the lack of UK strategy. Even if each might have wanted to add their own glosses.

 

[Woosh]

Why not get everyone together for a U.K. wide strategy?

we have devolved state powers, just as well wait a little bit to see how each country performs. My guess is both Scotland and Wales will do better than England and NI.

 

[oyster]

we have devolved state powers, just as well wait a little bit to see how each country performs. My guess is both Scotland and Wales will do better than England and NI.

Waiting is fine when things are not changing significantly.

Unfortunately, they are changing, and fast.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I fear that ignored will indeed be what happens.

Drakeford has repeatedly explained that he is not being kept in the loop. All too often he finds out about things just like us - from the media and personal reports.

I don't blame the devolved governments for the lack of UK strategy. Even if each might have wanted to add their own glosses.

I think Drakeford has given it his best shot, even down to stopping supermarkets selling kettles. It’s clear what he’s trying to accomplish, but unfortunately, it all falls apart when set against the backdrop of the clowns In Westminster and the wider U.K. weak and pathetic population.

 

[Woosh]

Waiting is fine when things are not changing significantly.

Unfortunately, they are changing, and fast.

you still can appreciate the result. I like to see circuit breakers to keep the death toll to below 500 a day.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

we have devolved state powers, just as well wait a little bit to see how each country performs. My guess is both Scotland and Wales will do better than England and NI.

**** devolved state powers. This is a national emergency situation.

Sometimes it’s necessary to do what needs doing and not fannying around quoting rules that only exist to appease a minority of crack-pots and ethnic box tickets. Under normal circumstances, we can allow these idiots to live under the illusion that their opinion matters. Now is the time to sweep them aside. They can be let out to play at rules and ethnicity again once this is over.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Waiting is fine when things are not changing significantly.

Unfortunately, they are changing, and fast.

It’s typical isn’t it. Someone reaching for the ******* rule book. Jesus Christ

 

[sjpt]

Waiting is fine when things are not changing significantly.

Unfortunately, they are changing, and fast.

Exactly like the first lockdown. (Confession should add 'errors of dithering' to errors of omission/commission.)

 

[oyster]

I think Drakeford has given it his best shot, even down to stopping supermarkets selling kettles. It’s clear what he’s trying to accomplish, but unfortunately, it all falls apart when set against the backdrop of the clowns In Westminster and the wider U.K. weak and pathetic population.

I'd rather listen to Drakeford and Gethin than Johnson and Hancock. They at least try to communicate properly.

 

[Woosh]

This is a national emergency situation.

we'll have to live with Covid for at least another 18 months if not 2-3 years.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

we'll have to live with Covid for at least another 18 months if not 2-3 years.

You aren’t wrong.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I'd rather listen to Drakeford and Gethin than Johnson and Hancock. They at least try to communicate properly.

I know for certain that my sister, Beryl Shittpeas, has been nipping over the border into Wales to see her grandchildren. They are both school age and are licking everything they can get their hands on. My sister has a few risk factors. I’ve tried telling her, but.......

I really don’t know what it will take to make people understand.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Can anyone remember, in the run up to the last election, Boris Johnson saying that if you vote for Corbyn you’ll get, “dither & delay”?

What are we getting from Johnson? It’s not exactly decisive & timely action is it.

 

[oyster]

we'll have to live with Covid for at least another 18 months if not 2-3 years.

That's the ones who are lucky.

The rest will either die or continue suffering for the rest of their lives.

 

[flecc]

That's the ones who are lucky.

But they are the great majority. We've always lived (and died) with epidemics, later with modern travel converted to pandemics.

We should just be calmly resigned to the illness and death since they are perfectly normal.

If long ago we'd decided to be an isolated rural country, staying small and growing our own food, we wouldn't have suffered international illness deaths. Instead as a primitive society without modern medicine we'd be dying of all the things we cure today.
.

 

[Woosh]

I still need to know that younger people can catch Covid again and again and still live unharmed.

 

[oyster]

I see the demographic might have shifted a bit:

Speaking in a personal capacity on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Prof Calum Semple, a member of Sage, said the country was in a second wave of the virus. “Unlike the first wave, where we had a national lockdown which protected huge swathes of society, this outbreak is now running riot across all age groups,” he said.

He said there were “many more cases, particularly in younger females between the ages of 20 and 40”, with three to four times as many women in that age group going to hospital as men, because they were being exposed to the virus in hospitality, retail and some educational settings.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/covid-running-riot-in-england-as-lockdown-looms-scientist-says

 

[Danidl]

I see the demographic might have shifted a bit:

Speaking in a personal capacity on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Prof Calum Semple, a member of Sage, said the country was in a second wave of the virus. “Unlike the first wave, where we had a national lockdown which protected huge swathes of society, this outbreak is now running riot across all age groups,” he said.

He said there were “many more cases, particularly in younger females between the ages of 20 and 40”, with three to four times as many women in that age group going to hospital as men, because they were being exposed to the virus in hospitality, retail and some educational settings.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/covid-running-riot-in-england-as-lockdown-looms-scientist-says

Those figures for the UK are significantly worse than for the USA.., which has had a 20% hike every 4 days

 

[sjpt]

Those figures for the UK are significantly worse than for the USA.., which has had a 20% hike every 4 days

True. I think part of that is that US tends to have lagged Europe by a few weeks. I fear for them that there is likely to be a big US increase quite soon

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This is regardless of who is President (Trump is till January anyway) and what measures are taken.