Brexit, for once some facts.
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My head is burning up trying to understand how you can manage multiple sets of state aid rules.
Surely, the only way of doing so is abiding by the most restrictive rules that have, so far, been agreed?
(I appreciate you could see a highly specific term which only applies to some trading partners. For example, bans all state aid for seaweed management research and development. Effectively applicable only to Wales and Japan.)
You, of all people, seem to be accusing this government of "good intentions"?Snippet from a Daily mail article
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It has also been suggested a 'rapid acceleration' in coronavirus cases could be linked to the hugely popular Eat Out to Help Out scheme, an Oxford University researcher has said.
The scheme, which involved the government fronting 50 per cent of the bill up to £10 per head at participating restaurants from Monday to Wednesday, has been hailed as the hospitality industry's saviour.
However, a new report from Oxford University public policy researcher Toby Phillips suggests the scheme may have contributed to a 'rapid acceleration' in reported infections in Britain and 'encouraged extravagant levels of eating out'.
Whoudathunkit?
"Mumbles something incoherent about the road to Hell being paved with good intentions"
The cull that is required is of the whole program.
Preferably most of the sports department.
I do not like watching sport. At all. I am perfectly content for others to watch sport. I am perfectly happy for the BBC to spend a reasonable proportion of their budget on sport for those people. And occupy a reasonable proportion of their broadcasting capacity with sport.
I am far less than happy that:
Other programs get shafted. The BBC doesn't manage to put programs round sports events which can be cut with little impact if, or rather, when the sports event overruns. I'd rather they had a slot up to, say, 22:00, in which nothing else was actually scheduled. If they finish early, show some filler material. Brush down the potter's wheel.
The BBC all too often puts out sport, sometimes the same sport, even the same actual streams, on multiple channels.
When we went from two BBC channels to several, it was partly justified on the basis that sport could be broadcast on one or more of the extra channels. But they still barge in and remove the alternative viewing on a regular basis. This works both ways. Sport wouldn't need to give way to the news, or anything else. (Mind, all too much of news broadcasts gets occupied by a special sports news person...)
They appear to ignore that when there is a major sports event on, a large proportion of sports watchers will be viewing it. Therefore, the multiple other streams of sport start out with smaller audience potential.
They appear to ignore that at least the majority of us can switch across all the BBC channels by pressing a button on the remote. There is little difference whether it is on 1, 2, 3, 4, children's channels, parliament or anything else. But they play the card that something on BBC 1 is somehow more important, more accessible, than if it were on BBC 2. Maybe when we had 405 line VHF transmissions...
And then, real sports (that is games, events, even chat about them) spills out into everything else. Like QoS. If you don't get sport, you very likely don't get that program either.
no deal brexit.
That's what those who bankerolled the campaign wanted.
Think of Putin's Russia or Trump's USA.
state aid should not be a big problem in a market economy country like ours. There are dispute resolution arrangements in all trade deals when state aids cause severe distorsion (like Chinese government give free land and zero interest development loans to many of their exporting companies).
BJ's government only wants GATT clause 24 (which none of our partners will grant without something in return) and use the nuclear option as negotiating tactics.
Johnson really does seem to be rubbing even brexit voting MPs up the wrong way. OK, so he and Johnson were not exactly best mates, but...:
Be thoughtful about who you ask to resign. Especially when they are replaced by a bottom grade relatively poorly experienced lawyer:
London panel counsel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54142845
Be thoughtful about who you ask to resign. Especially when they are replaced by a bottom grade relatively poorly experienced lawyer:
London panel counsel
- London A panel - £120 per hour
- London B panel - £100 per hour
- London C panel - £80 per hour if over 5 years call. £60 per hour if under 5 years call.
I like Athletics, Rugby and F1, that’s about it for me. I actually hate Question of Sport. It tests irrelevant knowledge and the result is of no importance.
I just wondered where the BBC was going with the cull.
About the current UK/EU row:
Frost:
2/7 On the Protocol, we indeed negotiated a careful balance in order to preserve peace and the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement. It is precisely to ensure this balance can be preserved in all circumstances that the Govt needs powers in reserve to avoid it being disrupted.
3/7 On 3rd country listings: the EU knows perfectly well all the details of our food standards rules because we are operating EU rules. The situation on 1.1.21 is accordingly perfectly clear. We have discussed this frequently with the EU including last week
4/7 Any changes in future would be notified to the WTO and EU in the usual way with plenty of lead time. The EU lists dozens of countries globally on precisely this basis, without any sort of commitment about the future.
5/7 Yet it has been made clear to us in the current talks that there is no guarantee of listing us. I am afraid it has also been said to us explicitly in these talks that if we are not listed we will not be able to move food to Northern Ireland.
6/7 The EU's position is that listing is needed for Great Britain only, not Northern Ireland. So if GB were not listed, it would be automatically illegal for NI to import food products from GB.
7/7 I hope the EU will yet think better of this. It obviously makes it no easier to negotiate a good free trade agreement and the solid future relationship which we all want.
Barnier:
Sticking to facts is also essential. A case in point:
EU is not refusing to list UK.
as a third country for food imports (SPS). To be listed, we need to know in full what a country’s rules are, incl. for imports. The same objective process applies to all listed countries [2/2]
join me 4 coffee replying to Frost:
Why didn’t you add a provision into the NI Protocol so the EU was bound to add GB to the list of those countries before signing it? Are you telling the world British lawyers are outsmarted by EU lawyers? Do you want to fix a mistake from the past now today without EU consensus?
As I see it, they should have negotiated on twitter as well so we can all participate.
Frost:
2/7 On the Protocol, we indeed negotiated a careful balance in order to preserve peace and the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement. It is precisely to ensure this balance can be preserved in all circumstances that the Govt needs powers in reserve to avoid it being disrupted.
3/7 On 3rd country listings: the EU knows perfectly well all the details of our food standards rules because we are operating EU rules. The situation on 1.1.21 is accordingly perfectly clear. We have discussed this frequently with the EU including last week
4/7 Any changes in future would be notified to the WTO and EU in the usual way with plenty of lead time. The EU lists dozens of countries globally on precisely this basis, without any sort of commitment about the future.
5/7 Yet it has been made clear to us in the current talks that there is no guarantee of listing us. I am afraid it has also been said to us explicitly in these talks that if we are not listed we will not be able to move food to Northern Ireland.
6/7 The EU's position is that listing is needed for Great Britain only, not Northern Ireland. So if GB were not listed, it would be automatically illegal for NI to import food products from GB.
7/7 I hope the EU will yet think better of this. It obviously makes it no easier to negotiate a good free trade agreement and the solid future relationship which we all want.
Barnier:
Sticking to facts is also essential. A case in point:
EU is not refusing to list UK.
as a third country for food imports (SPS). To be listed, we need to know in full what a country’s rules are, incl. for imports. The same objective process applies to all listed countries [2/2]
join me 4 coffee replying to Frost:
Why didn’t you add a provision into the NI Protocol so the EU was bound to add GB to the list of those countries before signing it? Are you telling the world British lawyers are outsmarted by EU lawyers? Do you want to fix a mistake from the past now today without EU consensus?
As I see it, they should have negotiated on twitter as well so we can all participate.
People who are proud of their products want them to be identified.
I don't want USA chicken even (or is that, especially?) in my cat's food.
No I had never heard it until now. Flecc might refer to a village mentality. .. It seems a pleasant ditty.
..Then it is basically a storm in a tea cup. We have huge poultry farms and processing plants on the Island. A major fraction of all the ducks consumed in Europe and of course the UK, comes from Ulster Farms.
It’s a very nice song. Sometimes, I spontaneously and without warning start singing it and perform all of the dance actions. Most recently this was during my daughter’s graduation ceremony from Glasgow University vet school.
it is posturing.
the UK's food standard will continue to be published even in case of no deal. There is no reason to assume that the EU will stop UK food in NI.
I reckon the argument is about BJ promising NI businesses that they don't need to fill in any declaration when buying from UK suppliers.
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I find it's potentially less embarrassing on the wrong side of 50 (but then also less sexy) to slowly roll one's hips while bawling Leonard Cohen at the top of ones voice ("I'm naked and I'm filthy, but there's sweat upon my brow...")
But they could refuse to allow NI food into RoI. Any that does arrive being declared illegal.