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. I really hope Trump does not get a second term, if he does then every lying, cheating, narcissistic politician in the world is going to think if he can get away with it so can I.
they usually do anyway. Truth in politics is often relative, depending on viewpoints. For many Trump's supporters, he only has to accuse his opponents as 'socialists'.
 

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I hope the shooting of that knife-man in America doesn’t result in more kneeling and statue nonsense. I’ve had enough of it now.
 

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I hope the shooting of that knife-man in America doesn’t result in more kneeling and statue nonsense. I’ve had enough of it now.
You gotta work harder on being provocative I'm puzzled by the fact that he survived several 357 magnum shots in the back (that's several first sized holes)
 
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You gotta work harder on being provocative I'm puzzled by the fact that he survived several 357 magnum shots in the back (that's several first sized holes)
I have read that he was hit in the arm with one shot, so there is a possibility that other shots went wide too
Revolvers are hardly precision weapons in the hands of someone clearly acting impulsively, and very likely in anger.
Apparently his spine was damaged so it's unlikely the weapon was a magnum
Some info here
https://www.guns.com/news/2011/06/30/a-quick-history-of-americas-police-sidearms
 
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I hope the shooting of that knife-man in America doesn’t result in more kneeling and statue nonsense. I’ve had enough of it now.
action - reaction. With a president like Trump, should you be surprised?
He wants confrontation, which he's got.
I have just watched Kamala Harris delivering her speech 'We need a competent president' on BBC News. She sure is an eloquent and a better looking version of Barak Obama.
 

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I have read that he was hit in the arm with one shot, so there is a possibility that other shots went wide too
Revolvers are hardly precision weapons in the hands of someone clearly acting impulsively, and very likely in anger.
Apparently his spine was damaged so it's unlikely the weapon was a magnum
Some info here
https://www.guns.com/news/2011/06/30/a-quick-history-of-americas-police-sidearms
More likely the officer opened fire because he was frightened by the actions of the knifeman. Agree with the rest, handguns are a bit random.
 

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latest BS for The government in the Telegraph
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Go back to work or risk losing your job': Major drive launched to get people returning to the office
Ministers warn that continuing to work from home could make staff ‘vulnerable’ to being sacked


Many firms in this area have waited for the workforce to return before sacking them in droves, 62 at the small firm where one of my daughters works.
 
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I must say working from home is attractive but can't really last very long.
We did that in the lockdown. Although we had no pressure to lose any job, we tried two shifts for a while to avoid contact, that did not work either. So we've gone back to normal settings, wearing face shields. That did work for a while but can't really work in the workshop with shield on.
We have 3 workshops, one for assembling bikes, one for assembling kits, one for general repairs and fittings, plus offices and storage. Assembling bikes requires 3 people at the same time. There is no way to avoid working closely together.
Now the only precautions we take is to keep as much distance as possible, put masks on when someone rings the bell.
 
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latest BS for The government in the Telegraph
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Go back to work or risk losing your job': Major drive launched to get people returning to the office
Ministers warn that continuing to work from home could make staff ‘vulnerable’ to being sacked


Many firms in this area have waited for the workforce to return before sacking them in droves, 62 at the small firm where one of my daughters works.
That headline took me back to the early 90s. :)
 

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It is clear to see on this graph that the 7 day rolling average has been going up since July. It can also been seen that the increase is nothing like what happened in March and April. My concern is though, that schools, collages, Universities and work places are not yet in full swing.

Death rates though are thankfully very low due probably to the reasons we have already discussed on this thread. I was listening to a science programme on Radio 4 yesterday, and they were saying evidence from around the world seems to show schools play a fairly big role in the spread of the virus. Children themselves aren't at risk, but they (in particular secondary age children) appear to spread it as much if not more so than adults.

It will be interesting to keep an eye on this seven day M.A. graph over the next couple of months to see if it starts to steepen. Here is the graph.
 
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It was depressing watching Trump's speech last night.
He has not change a bit, appealing to the same exact people who put him in the White House last time. Us and them. Pro life. Law and order. China steals our jobs.
I can't see how Biden is going to reply.
If Biden picks up a slanging match against Trump, he's going to lose.
If Biden tries to to hold on to the high moral ground, ordinary voters are not going to be interested.
If Biden criticises Trump on COVID, people don't want to hear about it anymore.
 

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It was depressing watching Trump's speech last night.
He has not change a bit, appealing to the same exact people who put him in the White House last time. Us and them. Pro life. Law and order. China steals our jobs.
I can't see how Biden is going to reply.
If Biden picks up a slanging match against Trump, he's going to lose.
If Biden tries to to hold on to the high moral ground, ordinary voters are not going to be interested.
If Biden criticises Trump on COVID, people don't want to hear about it anymore.
Those exact same people have brothers and sisters and with a death rate still at 7000 a week, 0.25M deaths is a lot to shrug off.
 

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There seems to be a big, and growing, push from the government for people to return to their place of work. But, the most prominent, symbolic and recognisable place of work in this country remains closed. That place is of course, the House of Commons.

How can they possess hope to get this, return to your place of work message across, when the very people delivering it have not yet returned to their own place of work?

The mixed messaging, lack of leadership and double standards is staggering.

What’s also very troubling is the fact that a large slice of the U.K. economy seems to hinge on office workers spending £27 on a frappé-crappy-shitty-wanky-poxy-frothy coffee and a Fair Trade Ethically sourced 640 calorie muffin on their way to and from work.
 
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Now the only precautions we take is to keep as much distance as possible, put masks on when someone rings the bell.
You're lucky the local kids don't practice the "Knock, Knock Ginger" game!

Knock, knock, ginger (also known as knock down ginger, ding dong ditch, chap door run and numerous variants) is a prank or game dating back to 19th-century England, or possibly the earlier Cornish traditional holiday of Nickanan Night.

(Because ringing on someone's doorbell and then running away also contravenes the Metropolitan Police Act 1854. It's a crime to “wilfully and wantonly disturb any inhabitant by pulling or ringing any door-bell or knocking at any door without lawful excuse”.)
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It is clear to see on this graph that the 7 day rolling average has been going up since July. It can also been seen that the increase is nothing like what happened in March and April. My concern is though, that schools, collages, Universities and work places are not yet in full swing.

Death rates though are thankfully very low due probably to the reasons we have already discussed on this thread. I was listening to a science programme on Radio 4 yesterday, and they were saying evidence from around the world seems to show schools play a fairly big role in the spread of the virus. Children themselves aren't at risk, but they (in particular secondary age children) appear to spread it as much if not more so than adults.

It will be interesting to keep an eye on this seven day M.A. graph over the next couple of months to see if it starts to steepen. Here is the graph.
Does it really matter long term though? If death rates stay very low, especially if they are mainly of the elderly, while the infection rate constantly increases, that will inevitably eventually lead to immunity due to evolution. If a vaccine proves impossible as might well be the case, immunity will be the only answer.
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Those exact same people have brothers and sisters and with a death rate still at 7000 a week, 0.25M deaths is a lot to shrug off.
many would blame both Trump and their local governors - I don't think COVID will hurt Trump specially.
 
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