Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

So he doesn't have a legal right to sell those things without being subjected to racist abuse. Aren't the bikes you sell manufactured in Asia?? Or at least part of them

The guy is probably not committing any offence,except perhaps misleading advertising standards,I don't think anyone should be subject to racist abuse....after all the Ford Cortina wasn't made in Italy.
Are you asking about Kudos e-bikes?
If so,I have always been open that all my bikes are manufactured in China,I have no reason to hide that fact,in fact I often talk about China on this forum.
The quality out of China,especially the quality of assembly improves with every shipment....my latest products...the Kudos Stealth,Alamo,Verona,Milano,Sprint and Miami are now pretty close to the assembly quality of European assembled bikes,but at a much reduced price.
KudosDave

 

[anotherkiwi]

When I joined the Army I was classed as British/English on my application form. Maybe the EU has stolen our identity along with ever else

All this loss of "sovereignty", border control, British identity BS is just that, or, if you prefer something more "this side of the Atlantic", a load of old codswallop. There are absolutely no facts to confirm that you have ever lost anything or had anything stolen since joining the EU. You have certainly gained a whole lot. You don't even pay your fair share as a member!

 

[oldgroaner]

What about the third point or do you want to just ignore it??

I'm sorry if I missed something lets see now, your missive was
"OG are you suggesting that because the truth is uncomfortable it should be hidden. Did you see the reports yesterday that a shop in Muswell Hill was being attacked and threatened with a boycott whilst being accused of being racist for simply being called Really British. This by people who are more than likely to use the word RACIST very liberally. I would suggest that if the word BRITISH had been Polish or Muslim the perpetrators would more than likely been arrested for hate crime. What sort of a country are we becoming where just to say British is offending some people. BTW I am not Tillson. I am nowhere near as eloquent or informed, but I do share many of his viewpoints although not always.
Firstly there has never been any "attack" there has been some criticism, and seemingly from the standpoint that the name is divisive, the letter quoted did not at any point describe the shop as racist.
Now to the racist remarks
"
He told local newspaper the Ham&High: “The shop is in no way meant to be ‘political’ or ‘pro Brexit’, but we have had a lot of complaints saying it is or we are ‘racist!”

“A guy came in the other day and said, ‘what’s this, a charity shop?’ and we said, ‘no, not at all’, and he said, ‘well it’s racist’, and stormed out.”

Now ask yourself, is there any proof of this? other than his word? when the shopkeeper must have contacted the Newspaper to give them the story, for reasons I have already outlined, publicity and to boost flagging sales.
All he has is a very mildly worded questioning of his logic and it's local effect.
There is no evidence of an attack, a boycott or anything else, it is only his word, and completely unsupported at that
Or are you championing the idea that no one has a right to criticise that?

And of course it fits nicely with the newspaper want to have something controversial to print to boost sales rather too conveniently.
And this
"I would suggest that if the word BRITISH had been Polish or Muslim the perpetrators would more than likely been arrested for hate crime. "

That is certainly the opinion of the tabloid press, where is your evidence to support that belief?
Can you actually quote any cases that prove that is true?
Feel free, i'll quote some against Poles and Muslims with this sample link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662114/Reports-attacks-Poles-Muslims-wake-Brexit-vote.html
And if you are patient I'll trace a hundred more for you.
Now it's your turn prove what you are saying with actual cases, not Newspaper fictions.
Start with cases of polish or Muslim hate attacks on shops
Try Googling this and you will find what you are looking for
"muslim or polish racial attacks on businesses"
This is what I found
There is at least one case of a Pole accused of racism, not here, but in Poland, and literally hundred of people here being racist to foreigners.
The truth has been completely altered by the Media to mislead the public.

 

[Zlatan]

Corbyn heckled off stage by so called labour supporters.
If Labour could offer some kind ( any kind?) of viable government we might not be in the mess we are...

Burnham still represents a change of opinion.
As far as Cameron, yes that's what we all think of politicians at moment...again contributing to the unstable times.


Is there a politician who just speaks their mind without changing it every week and without been told what to say by party whip or whoever.. Boris ?? Well perhaps..

 

[Kudoscycles]

Really that shop was only selling the cheap Asian products that we all see in the tourist shops around London. His name would suggest that he was selling 'made in Britain' products but sadly that wasn't the case.
It reminds me of a well known e-bike supplier,run by a delightful English guy,who put Union Jack stickers on bikes made in Shanghai,mustn't shout about it,hehe.
KudosDave

The guy got local and national TV advertising....OK some flac,but they say there is no such thing as bad advertising.
We are talking about him on this forum.
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

Out of curiosity I pushed the "Show ignored content button" to see if the Troll was still with us.
Ah well he hasn't taken the hint, it was pretty predictable that having failed to derail the thread, he would try to spread dissent and division behind the scenes like this

"Support Tillsons thoughts but I,m leaving OG and Tom on ignore. Suggest you two reciprocate.( kindly)"

Shame he (supposedly) can't see this and realise this is not the way to comply with either the rules or spirit of Forum life.

Still intent on being a troublemaker, just lacks the intelligence to make a good job of it, or better still create trouble elsewhere.

Now come on OG, I thought that we were going to be nice to each other today. Christmas spirit, good will to all men?

old tom is joining in. His post #8099 is well written and it gives us something to consider. I like the way in which it is written because it simply presents information for the reader's consideration. It does not contain any clause which dismisses the reader as an idiot if they disagree.

 

[oldgroaner]

Now come on OG, I thought that we were going to be nice to each other today. Christmas spirit, good will to all men?

old tom is joining in. His post #8099 is well written and it gives us something to consider. I like the way in which it is written because it simply presents information for the reader's consideration. It does not contain any clause which dismisses the reader as an idiot if they disagree.

Not with you there I'm afraid which person are you referring to as an idiot if the disagree with my posting?
I don't actually recall asking for anyone to agree, simply to take note.
I take it that you regard the situation to be completely different?
You have a wonderful sense of humour old toms post #8099 is well written and gives us something to consider? would that be the one that starts
"One of the things that has become clear to me from the moronic comments of the far-right extremists in this thread is their complete lack of understanding of history."
Excellent tillson, great humour!

 

[tillson]

Not with you there I'm afraid which person are you referring to as an idiot if the disagree with my posting?
I don't actually recall asking for anyone to agree, simply to take note.
I take it that you regard the situation to be completely different?
You have a wonderful sense of humour old toms post #8099 is well written and gives us something to consider? would that be the one that starts
"One of the things that has become clear to me from the moronic comments of the far-right extremists in this thread is their complete lack of understanding of history."
Excellent tillson, great humour!

Yes, but if you leave that first paragraph out..............

You are so picky!

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, but if you leave that first paragraph out..............

You are so picky!

Steady there who said I was forgiven for teasing?
I just thought I'd try my hand at being one of the "Thought Police" for a giggle.
The rest of the post is as you say well written

 

[Zlatan]

Forum seems a nicer place today. No insults...( but I,ve got Tom and OG on ignore so perhaps an unreliable opinion poll..)

 

[oldgroaner]

A reader's comment in the Independent reporting on the Supreme Court Article 50 hearing
"
Brexiters

They say Europe harmed Parliament’s role

Making laws for this realm as a whole.

But when the Courts say in fact,

That to leave needs an Act,

They object from the depths of their soul."

Droll!

 

[oldgroaner]

Definitely better on here without the disruptive individual wittering on.
Normal Service has resumed.

 

[oldtom]

Definitely better on here without the disruptive individual wittering on.
Normal Service has resumed.

Yes, I noticed that too. As I don't use the 'ignore' facility, I can see what he has posted today - three posts which said nothing of any interest to me, weren't really on topic and at this moment in time, have attracted no comments whatsoever from either camp.

Perhaps he will revert to his other hobby and immerse himself in that (Oh, that was almost funny!) if we simply ignore the drivel he puts out, a lot of which makes no sense to me anyway.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, I noticed that too. As I don't use the 'ignore' facility, I can see what he has posted today - three posts which said nothing of any interest to me, weren't really on topic and at this moment in time, have attracted no comments whatsoever from either camp.

Perhaps he will revert to his other hobby and immerse himself in that (Oh, that was almost funny!) if we simply ignore the drivel he puts out, a lot of which makes no sense to me anyway.

Tom

You omitted "or anyone else either" Tom

 

[tillson]

Forum seems a nicer place today. No insults...( but I,ve got Tom and OG on ignore so perhaps an unreliable opinion poll..)

Yes, much better today.

 

[oldtom]

I have never understood the term, 'Thatcherism' and cannot see that it is an economic philosophy. Were it so, the UK would have survived the economic boom & bust cycles since the 1970s with ease because we would have had a solidly based, export driven economy, producing income along with sufficient oil revenues to support the country through the short-term troughs in the economic cycle.

Sadly, the whole concept of Thatcher's economic policies have long since been demonstrated to be perverse, divisive and spiteful towards the working class of the country. It is a matter of record that her legacy is one of channelling the profits of our national utilities from the public purse into the pockets of the shareholding few - the classic Robin Hood story in reverse!

This infographic describes perfectly the hypocrisy of tory capitalism in the UK:



The UK will become a disaster area post-'Brexit' thanks to this kind of thinking, leaving the country with no chips to play with in the global casino. Still, perhaps other nations will take pity on us and provide us with foreign aid!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I just discovered a little while ago, something which the more observant readers of these pages may well know but is news to me.

Today marks the 68th anniversary of The UN General Assembly adopting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The following is an extract from the lengthy piece I read:

Human Rights Day is observed every year on 10 December. It commemorates the day on which, in 1948, the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In 1950, the Assembly passed resolution 423 (V), inviting all States and interested organizations to observe 10 December of each year as Human Rights Day.

Although there are still far too many abuses in many parts of the world, even here in the UK, this is one hugely important document and deserves greater recognition and respect from world leaders.

Tom

 

[tillson]

I have never understood the term, 'Thatcherism' and cannot see that it is an economic philosophy. Were it so, the UK would have survived the economic boom & bust cycles since the 1970s with ease because we would have had a solidly based, export driven economy, producing income along with sufficient oil revenues to support the country through the short-term troughs in the economic cycle.

Sadly, the whole concept of Thatcher's economic policies have long since been demonstrated to be perverse, divisive and spiteful towards the working class of the country. It is a matter of record that her legacy is one of channelling the profits of our national utilities from the public purse into the pockets of the shareholding few - the classic Robin Hood story in reverse!

This infographic describes perfectly the hypocrisy of tory capitalism in the UK:

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The UK will become a disaster area post-'Brexit' thanks to this kind of thinking, leaving the country with no chips to play with in the global casino. Still, perhaps other nations will take pity on us and provide us with foreign aid!

It has long been rumoured that the pathologist who carried out the post mortem examination on the late Lady Thatcher discovered her to be of cloven hoof. The pathology report is buried deep within The National Archives and is considered to have potentially explosive implications for The Church.

It is unlikely that the report will ever be released into the public domain.

 

[Kudoscycles]

There was a poll by Youguv that absolutely nailed the whole problem with this referendum....they asked Leave voters what money would they be prepared to lose in their income post Brexit.
Only 1 in 10 said that they would be prepared to lose more than £100 per month....these are voters who are absolutely passionate that they voted leave now get on with it,but don't cost me money.
What are these people on...with the £ losing 20% overnight,turning our backs on 48% of our market and telling some of our best labour to go home ,how can they possibly think that this vote will not cost them money.
With this governments commitment to free trade with China we are going to have to work very hard to compete with Asia,it's going to need serious investment to catch up.....have we got the money,are we prepared to put in the effort,have we the skills?....it will expose us to the world.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

It has occurred to me that Theresa May would find it attractive if we did end up with WTO tariffs between the UK and EU. Assuming 10% tariff,imagine the tariff take on all the VW,BMW,Mercs and Audi even if she has to give tariff support to Nissan etc.
We are not going to stop buying German Cars,it would be a wonderful tax take on the very people who could afford to pay and pretty much hidden.
KudosDave