Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

I wonder if Charlie will have to give a press briefing as well about his castle visit...

Inside King Charles' extremely private honeymoon home on late Queen's beloved Balmoral estate

The monarch is set to return to the romantic property with Queen Camilla this January

www.hellomagazine.com

The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall are self-isolating at their Scottish residence after he tested positive for coronavirus. The royal couple will be staying at their summer retreat, Birkhall on the Balmoral estate, for the foreseeable future after he became the first British royal to contract COVID-19.

Set on a 53,000-acre estate, the 18th-century residence will be the ideal spot for self-isolating.

As well as his Scottish estate, Prince Charles also divides his time between Highgrove House, near Gloucestershire, and his official London residence, Clarence House. The Prince of Wales also inherited the Queen Mother's former Scottish holiday home, Castle of Mey, and opened a ten-bedroom bed and breakfast in the grounds of the castle in 2019.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Just to finish up .. While this was updated in May, the majority of the provisions are no different than the UKs March and April situation....It is of course Official UK policy.

People may only leave their home in any part of the UK if they have ‘reasonable excuse’ to do so. Legislation passed separately in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lists the activities that are considered ‘reasonable excuses’, although these lists are non exhaustive.

The rules on leaving the house (as of 13 May) are set out below.

To obtain basic necessities
To exercise
To spend time outdoors for recreation
To seek medical assistance
To provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person
To give blood
To travel to work where it is not possible to work from home
To attend a funeral
To visit a cemetery, burial group or garden of remembrance
To fulfil a legal obligation
To assess critical services, e.g. social services
Parental arrangements
For a minister of religious leader to go to their place of worship
To move house
To avoid injury, illness or escape risk of harm
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes – limited
Scotland	Yes – limited
Wales	Yes – limited
Northern Ireland	Yes – limited
England	Yes (from 13 May)
Scotland	No
Wales	No
Northern Ireland	No
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – or emergency assistance to any person
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – or as a carer of a person attending
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Not cemeteries
Scotland	No
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes – and undertake other related activities
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – 'where the move cannot be postponed'
Northern Ireland	Yes – 'where reasonably necessary '
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes

Very interesting summary of the situation after 13/05/2020

 

[oyster]

I repeat my point about us being told not to drive because if we have an accident or breakdown, we will put others at risk.

There is a greater likelihood of having an accident or breaking down on a 260 mile journey to Durham in circumstances where some in the vehicle are already ill, a further 60 mile round trip when you cannot see properly, and 260 miles back (with or without petrol) than my driving a few miles from my house to sit in my car for half an hour watching the sea. Even if I did that repeatedly. And especially if it is an add-on to essential food shopping trips.

 

[oyster]

UK coronavirus live: minister resigns over Dominic Cummings lockdown trip

Douglas Ross resigns as Under Secretary of State for Scotland over adviser’s actions

In his resignation letter, Douglas Ross, a junior minister in Boris Johnson’s government, wrote: “I have never met Dominic Cummings so my judgement on this matter has always been open and I accept his statement on Monday afternoon clarified the actions he took in what he felt were the best interests of his family. However, these were decisions many others felt were not available to them.

As a father myself, my instinct is to always do what is best for my son and wife. We have been fortunate not to have caught this awful virus but if we did, we are prepared to follow the government advice and stay at home to contain this virus.

While the intentions may have been well meaning, the reaction to this news shows that Mr Cummings interpretation of the government advice was not shared by the vast majority of people who have done as the government asked.

“I have constituents who didn’t get to say goodbye to loved ones; families who didn’t visit sick relatives because they followed the guidance of the government. I cannot in good faith tell them they were all wrong and one senior advisor to the government was right.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/26/uk-coronavirus-live-dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-latest-updates

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Of course his excuses are hollow, I don't know why he bothered, he should have just ignored all the witch hunters. He did no harm and your last paragraph is your usual puritanism.

Those you say suffered volunteered to suffer if indeed they did suffer. They had the same choices as Cummings and myself, using their minds to achieve the intended result of the rules or be automatons, sometimes achieving worse outcomes.

Cummings won't be going anywhere.
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Im afraid you are guilty of the same reckless disregard for the health of others as Boris Johnson, Cummings &Co.

In a situation like the one Coronavirus has presented, you cannot have a free for all with people doing as they like. It’s important to have a temporary period of guidance and that as many people as possible follow that guidance. It can’t be enforced with a stick, it needs presenting in a way which people understand and therefore are willing to follow voluntarily. A critical element of that is an exemplary, whiter than white example being set by the institution making the request. Without that example, the request falls apart, people lose faith, people look for their own loopholes and grant themselves permission to bend the guidelines. Ultimately people start mixing together and the virus spreads.

The guidance was only temporary, it wasn’t /isn’t forever and Cummings, along with the rest of the government must set that example I described. To reinforce the necessity and importance of following the guidance, Cummings has to go. People have to see that the government are taking themselves and their own actions seriously. Whilst ever Cummings is allowed to prosper after sitting in the Downing Street garden and insulting the nation with very easily identifiable lies, more damage is ultimately being done to people’s health.

You say he did no harm. His family travelled from the country’s number on virus hotspot, London, and then exposed an ambulance crew and hospital staff 260 miles away to potential Coronavirus infection. He may have broken down causing police / breakdown services to attend. He may have had an accident endangering police, medical staff and recovery services. That is reckless and you too have a reckless disregard for other if you think he did no harm. What if everyone did it? What if everyone had traveled around the country for days out during that period?

 

[Danidl]

Very interesting summary of the situation after 13/05/2020

Yes. But in most particulars it was the same as the advice prior . Interestingly it was not dissimilar to that for France, (where they required the person to fill up a form available on the daily newspaper) or Ireland .. I certainly remember the bits about legal matters having precedence in each jurisdiction. ..Ie going for a legal consulation was an exempted activity...as was looking after dependents.

 

[flecc]

I repeat my point about us being told not to drive because if we have an accident or breakdown, we will put others at risk.

As I said, it's a witch hunt.

It seems you've bought all the rubbish excuses he's come out with, I never have.

He went to Durham because they wanted to to visit his parents with their son, they went to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday.

He got caught out, so what? It's what all the privileged have been doing, from royalty down. That's the unbalanced society we live in and which the people have always accepted, obediently waving the little union jacks they are given. If they now decide they don't like it, then do like the French, Russians and Romanians et al, rise up and murder the offending class.

He should just have kept his mouth shut, carried on with his job and and ignored all the fuss from the equally offending media who are free to roam the country at all times as though the rules don't apply to them either.
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[Danidl]

I repeat my point about us being told not to drive because if we have an accident or breakdown, we will put others at risk.

There is a greater likelihood of having an accident or breaking down on a 260 mile journey to Durham in circumstances where some in the vehicle are already ill, a further 60 mile round trip when you cannot see properly, and 260 miles back (with or without petrol) than my driving a few miles from my house to sit in my car for half an hour watching the sea. Even if I did that repeatedly. And especially if it is an add-on to essential food shopping trips.

I do agree with you oyster, that trips into the countryside need not have been curtailed. The only criterion which has scientific validity is social distancing

 

[Woosh]

He should just have kept his mouth shut

imagine for a moment that we did like the French, require people to fill in a form specifying why they are on the road.
What would Cummings say on the form about his trip to Durham and Barnard Castle?

 

[flecc]

Im afraid you are guilty of the same reckless disregard for the health of others as Boris Johnson, Cummings &Co.

Not at all, I've been very responsible, not only with regard to the pandemic but in not supporting this privileged society that creates these abuses.

You appear to be the guilty one, being complicit by supporting and voting for the privilege you now complain of. I say that because you've always appeared to be a Tory and a royalist. That's two more post-it notes for your office wall.
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[flecc]

imagine for a moment that we did like the French, require people to fill in a form specifying why they are on the road.
What would Cummings say on the form about his trip to Durham and Barnard Castle?

Who cares? I don't.
.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

As I said, it's a witch hunt.

It seems you've bought all the rubbish excuses he's come out with, I never have.

He went to Durham because they wanted to to visit his parents with their son, they went to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday.

He got caught out, so what? It's what all the privileged have been doing, from royalty down. That's the unbalanced society we live in and which the people have always accepted, obediently waving the little union jacks they are given. If they now decide they don't like it, then do like the French, Russians and Romanians et al, rise up and murder the offending class.

He should just have kept his mouth shut, carried on with his job and and ignored all the fuss from the equally offending media who are free to roam the country at all times as though the rules don't apply to them either.
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But as prince Andrew found out the hard way, there are limits to even the great British public's gullibility and sycophancy. The only thing that's clear to me is that there will be another outbreak (South Korea and China had it after their much stricter quarantine and almost zero r) and it will be unmanageable (track and trace and testing will remain a joke, unlike china where they did 11 million in a weekend - and distancing regulations in shops, regardless of cummings, are rapidly becoming non existent).

 

[flecc]

But as prince Andrew found out the hard way, there are limits to even the great British public's gullibility and sycophancy. The only thing that's clear to me is that there will be another outbreak (South Korea and China had it after their much stricter quarantine and almost zero r) and it will be unmanageable (track and trace and testing will remain a joke, unlike china where they did 11 million in a weekend).

But it's still a witch hunt by the two faced public, and only existing by being goaded into life by the media stirring.
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[jonathan.agnew]

But it's still a witch hunt by the two faced public, and only existing by being goaded into life by the media stirring.
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In the context of uk massively leading Europe and rapidly the world in covid deaths as a result of gross (at times deliberate) mismanagement by the government, it's either an enormous red herring or a bit like Andrew and metoo, a dim electorate slowly waking up from a populist trance it got itself into.

 

[oldgroaner]

Cummings rewrote history in his blog to make out he warned about Covid 19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY4zXQsX0AAG5Qo?format=jpg&name=small

 

[oyster]

Fintan does what Fintan does - write yet another good article.

Cummings’ contempt for lockdown rules makes the public feel like fools

Fintan O’Toole
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/cummings-contempt-lockdown-rules-public-catholic-church-ireland

 

[flecc]

or a bit like Andrew and metoo, a dim electorate slowly waking up from a populist trance it got itself into.

But they aren't really are they?

They'll soon be back to obediently waving their little union flags and living in a dream world where Britain is always great and every one of our failures from Dunkirk to Brexit is a triumph.
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[oyster]

Cummings rewrote history in his blog to make out he warned about Covid 19

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY4zXQsX0AAG5Qo?format=jpg&name=small

Sorry - can't read that.

Been meaning to check my eyes, will have a jaunt in my car to Cardigan.

 

[oldgroaner]

But it's still a witch hunt by the two faced public, and only existing by being goaded into life by the media stirring.
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Don't agree, it's actually a Cummings stunt times to discredit lockdown and deflect blame from Boris for further casualties as I previously posted, the timing of this coming to light is far too convenient to be a fluke

 

[oldgroaner]

Sorry - can't read that.

Been meaning to check my eyes, will have a jaunt in my car to Cardigan.

That's odd I just tried the link it works fine, I shall leave the car in the garage today