Brexit, for once some facts.

[Nev]

In Sweden some people are so impressed with the country's health chief Anders Tegnell, that they are having his picture tattooed on their arms, incidentally Sweden has a much higher death rate than many countries close by.

I have heard a whisper that once lockdown is finally over, Tommie plans on have a picture of Cummings on one arm and Boris on the other.

 

[flecc]

I can just about believe the trip to Durham to isolate if I’m feeling particularly benevolent.

However, to put his wife and child in the car and to then drive 60 miles to test his theory that he might be unfit to drive is not credible. It’s a lie contrived for the purpose of getting around the fact that he was spotted by the teacher. That then throws all of his story into doubt. Add in the fact that the kid coincidentally wanted a pi$$ just as they were passing access to woodland walks, where he was unfortunately spotted again, and this confirms the BS.

This is of the upmost importance because the rules were devised to keep us alive. The government must reinforce the seriousness and gravity of the situation by making an example of Cummings. He’s a liar, he’s arrogant and he is showing contempt for people who have suffered as a result of his government’s incompetence.

Of course his excuses are hollow, I don't know why he bothered, he should have just ignored all the witch hunters. He did no harm and your last paragraph is your usual puritanism.

Those you say suffered volunteered to suffer if indeed they did suffer. They had the same choices as Cummings and myself, using their minds to achieve the intended result of the rules or be automatons, sometimes achieving worse outcomes.

Cummings won't be going anywhere.
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[jonathan.agnew]

In Sweden some people are so impressed with the country's health chief Anders Tegnell, that they are having his picture tattooed on their arms, incidentally Sweden has a much higher death rate than many countries close by.

I have heard a whisper that once lockdown is finally over, Tommie plans on have a picture of Cummings on one arm and Boris on the other.

arms? he seems the kind of spirited lad that might put it on his cheeks.

 

[RossG]

I saw an interview on tv with a medic from Stockholm a few days back. He was asked what's the policy on masks in Sweden, his reply was no one wears them...if you get sick you stay indoors. Seems to be working out just fine for them.....not.

 

[oyster]

How do you follow the science when the scientists say:

Cummings' actions show government cannot be trusted, says adviser

Sage scientist condemns ‘vacuum in the heart of government’

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I see that Branson has been letting off his fireworks again. Another dud. Do not return to it once lit.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Of course his excuses are hollow, I don't know why he bothered, he should have just ignored all the witch hunters. He did no harm and your last paragraph is your usual puritanism.

Those you say suffered volunteered to suffer if indeed they did suffer. They had the same choices as Cummings and myself, using their minds to achieve the intended result of the rules or be automatons, sometimes achieving worse outcomes.

Cummings won't be going anywhere.
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Puritanism. I like that word. I shall write it on a post-it note and stick it on my office wall.

 

[flecc]

I saw an interview on tv with a medic from Stockholm a few days back. - - - - - Seems to be working out just fine for them.....not.

Actually it is. For all of us it's a balance between deaths and economic harm done. We've got it so wrong we have the second worst death rate in the world AND immense economic harm.

Sweden does have a higher death rate than its neighbours but has avoided the economic harm of the rest of Europe. Since the deaths are predominantly of the less healthy elderly who have very limited lives anyway, it seems a good exchange.
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[tommie]

Have you got anything that might interest me Barry...I'm into leather at the moment.

that`s whats wrong with society today, the fabric is crumbling before our very eyes....

feckers `into leather`

Whatever next??

 

[tommie]

Just to finish up .. While this was updated in May, the majority of the provisions are no different than the UKs March and April situation....It is of course Official UK policy.

People may only leave their home in any part of the UK if they have ‘reasonable excuse’ to do so. Legislation passed separately in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland lists the activities that are considered ‘reasonable excuses’, although these lists are non exhaustive.

The rules on leaving the house (as of 13 May) are set out below.

To obtain basic necessities
To exercise
To spend time outdoors for recreation
To seek medical assistance
To provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person
To give blood
To travel to work where it is not possible to work from home
To attend a funeral
To visit a cemetery, burial group or garden of remembrance
To fulfil a legal obligation
To assess critical services, e.g. social services
Parental arrangements
For a minister of religious leader to go to their place of worship
To move house
To avoid injury, illness or escape risk of harm
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes – limited
Scotland	Yes – limited
Wales	Yes – limited
Northern Ireland	Yes – limited
England	Yes (from 13 May)
Scotland	No
Wales	No
Northern Ireland	No
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – or emergency assistance to any person
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – or as a carer of a person attending
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Not cemeteries
Scotland	No
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes
Northern Ireland	Yes
England	Yes – and undertake other related activities
Scotland	Yes
Wales	Yes – 'where the move cannot be postponed'
Northern Ireland	Yes – 'where reasonably necessary '
England	Yes
Scotland	Yes

Pointless trying to point out the obvious to some.......

CV-19 was a handy excuse for a witch hunt

save your breath for the porridge

 

[RossG]

Actually it is. For all of us it's a balance between deaths and economic harm done. We've got it so wrong we have the second worst death rate in the world AND immense economic harm.

Sweden does have a higher death rate than its neighbours but has avoided the economic harm of the rest of Europe. Since the deaths are predominantly of the less healthy elderly who have very limited lives anyway, it seems a good exchange.
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It's a balance between life and death flecc, the economy means absolutely nothing whatsoever when you're dead.
You can choose 2 metres under my old mate, I'll choose 2 metres apart

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course his excuses are hollow, I don't know why he bothered, he should have just ignored all the witch hunters. He did no harm and your last paragraph is your usual puritanism.

Those you say suffered volunteered to suffer if indeed they did suffer. They had the same choices as Cummings and myself, using their minds to achieve the intended result of the rules or be automatons, sometimes achieving worse outcomes.

Cummings won't be going anywhere.
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This has been one of Cummings most successful plots
Sorry flecc he is guilty as charged, knows this and will get away with it, but doesn't care because his"nudge" ploy has achieved his goal, which was

1. Discredit Public faith in the lockdown
2. Encourage the public to break lockdown by his example go back to normal living
3. Protect the economy with a staged return to work
4. Protect Boris from any blame for loss of life as this is now "The will of the people who are ignoring government advice"
5. Please the paymasters that he and Boris serve for economic reasons.

The fact his journeying has been known about all along and only put into the public arena when the Government wanted the public back to work despite the risk for economic reasons, is the motivation of the timing of this latest swindle.

 

[oldgroaner]

Prof. Colin Talbot

@colinrtalbot
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Killer fact from that is this. The Cummings/Wakefield family ended up in a hospital in Durham - 260m from home. That is precisely the reason the lockdown told people to stay at home if they get sick.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Gove is very quiet. What’s he up to?

 

[Wicky]

Gove was spinning plates this morning trying to continue the justification - and likely wondering at the back of his mind why he hasn't a 2nd country estate to hideaway in till it all blows over..

The hypocrisy of the rich and powerful was apparent the moment Charlie scapered to his country home in Scotland / same for Boris with Chequers - Cummings' might think himself an anti-establishment rebel rouser but the power has gone to his head gave him justification for his exceptionalism to head to his private bluebell woods.

How the rich reacted to the bubonic plague has eerie similarities to today’s pandemic

Then – as now – the wealthy fled to the countryside, while the urban poor were forced to work on the front lines.

theconversation.com

Boccaccio describes the rich secluding themselves at home, where they enjoy quality wines and provisions, music and other entertainment. The very wealthiest – whom Boccaccio describes as “ruthless” – deserted their neighborhoods altogether, retreating to comfortable estates in the countryside, “as though the plague was meant to harry only those remaining within their city walls.”

How the super-rich spent lockdown - BBC Reel

As the UK headed for lockdown, reports flew in of wealthy homeowners rushing to the countryside, to their yachts or to private jets out of the country. But where were they headed? From castles and private islands to luxury underground bunkers with pools and home cinemas, we take a look at...

www.bbc.com

As the UK headed for lockdown, reports flew in of wealthy homeowners rushing to the countryside, to their yachts or to private jets out of the country.

But where were they headed?

From castles and private islands to luxury underground bunkers with pools and home cinemas, we take a look at how the super-rich have spent lockdown.

Contrast that with:

Coronavirus: Overcrowded households on pain of lockdown life

Hundreds of thousands of families live in overcrowded homes. What is lockdown life like for them?

www.bbc.co.uk

Anab Ahmed weeps as she recalls the moment her four-year-old son asked: "Do we live in prison, mummy?"

She told him no, they were not locked-up against their will. But she believes the truth is their life is "not different from the people who are in prison."

"If I get sick I don't have any way to self-isolate myself from my children. If it happens, everyone will catch the virus," she says.

The single mother says government advice - which recommends that, where possible, sick people use a different bathroom and do not share a bed with others - would be impossible to follow.

The government says councils are required to help people who are worried about self-isolation and overcrowding, via local health protection teams.

 

[oyster]

Prof. Colin Talbot
@colinrtalbot
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12h


Killer fact from that is this. The Cummings/Wakefield family ended up in a hospital in Durham - 260m from home. That is precisely the reason the lockdown told people to stay at home if they get sick.

Talbot understands:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264999652870496258

 

[Nev]

I was wondering if any research would be done on the sports events which went ahead even though many experts were saying at the time they should be cancelled. Details here.

Coronavirus: Sports events in March 'caused increased suffering and death'

A top scientist criticises the staging of the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool's Champions League tie.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wicky]

Thanks to Ian Duhig on Twitter for pointing out that in 19th century English, the expression ‘Come, come, that’s Barnard Castle!’ was used as a response to someone who had offered a flawed excuse for their actions.

(fr. English Proverbs & Proverbial Phrases: A Historical Dictionary, 1929)

 

[Wicky]

And even cricketers can't help mocking Cummings

 

[oyster]

Johnson suffered covid-19 severely. Comes back and often blusters and looks even more lost than ever. Then this (early, questionable) research comes out:

Research reveals gene role in both dementia and severe Covid-19

Having two copies of e4 variant of ApoE gene linked to double risk of severe Covid-19, study suggests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/26/research-reveals-gene-role-in-both-dementia-and-severe-covid-19