Brexit, for once some facts.

[Wicky]

The WHO has said that nations MUST test suspected Coronavirus cases very widely. That rather pi$$es on the fat blonde twats chips. No doubt the medical stool pigeon which constantly flanks him will help him off the hook.

WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test"

I suspect we haven't the laboratory test processing capacity to handle the ramp in demand. Like US is struggling to enlarge their testing abilities and had to enrol private laboratories as reinforcement

 

[Woosh]

I'd like to see more blood tests for presence of antibodies - something to prove that you've been infected and become immune to the virus.

 

[Wicky]

I'd like to see more blood tests for presence of antibodies - something to prove that you've been infected and become immune to the virus.

That test is still in development - but agree that will be a great breakthrough.

 

[oyster]

WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test"

I suspect we haven't the laboratory test processing capacity to handle the ramp in demand. Like US is struggling to enlarge their testing abilities and had to enrol private laboratories as reinforcement

But we were told there was plenty of testing capacity!

And I I said yesterday, they only just opened testing facilities in Carmarthen and Cardigan the other day.

 

[oldgroaner]

Another bit of Boris memorabilia
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/exclusive-governments-secret-garden-bridge-report-witheld-from-publication/10046612.article#.Xm9MgutZ-Cw.twitter
The Department for Transport is refusing to release an internal report on the cancelled Garden Bridge project, claiming this would prejudice the commercial interests of the trust that developed it, now in liquidation
The Garden Bridge scheme, designed by Thomas Heatherwick and championed by Boris Johnson while mayor of London, collapsed in August 2017. It left taxpayers with a bill of £43 million, making it one of the costliest public scandals in British political history.
However, a Freedom of Information (FOI) request to see the report – an assessment of the financial position of the Garden Bridge Trust made by the DfT’s internal audit team in July 2016 – was refused and then refused again on appeal earlier this month, sparking fury from MPs and members of the London Assembly.
The report has been suppressed on the grounds it is protecting the interests of the Garden Bridge Trust, which developed the project but which has has been in liquidation since April last year.
The report is understood to have warned that the project had a funding gap of up to £75 million and advised ministers against putting more taxpayers’ money at risk by extending the government’s guarantee of the trust’s cancellation liabilities.

 

[Wicky]

Well its at odds with WHO and govt are keeping it specifically for hospitalised suspected cases with chesty problems or for care homes and residential facilities experiencing outbreaks. Hence why I suspect its not geared up to handle widespread testing in the population and is having to be targeted.

Lots of hand waving from BJ asked if health workers would also be included for testing.

This is moving on quickly day to day. Only 3 weeks behind Italy

Then following BJ's press confernce , on came Esther Rantzen from her bunker not liking all the bad news and wanting media to carry more cheerful news *sausages*

 

[Wicky]

Another bit of Boris memorabilia
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/exclusive-governments-secret-garden-bridge-report-witheld-from-publication/10046612.article#.Xm9MgutZ-Cw.twitter
The Department for Transport is refusing to release an internal report on the cancelled Garden Bridge project, claiming this would prejudice the commercial interests of the trust that developed it, now in liquidation
The Garden Bridge scheme, designed by Thomas Heatherwick and championed by Boris Johnson while mayor of London, collapsed in August 2017. It left taxpayers with a bill of £43 million, making it one of the costliest public scandals in British political history.
However, a Freedom of Information (FOI) request to see the report – an assessment of the financial position of the Garden Bridge Trust made by the DfT’s internal audit team in July 2016 – was refused and then refused again on appeal earlier this month, sparking fury from MPs and members of the London Assembly.
The report has been suppressed on the grounds it is protecting the interests of the Garden Bridge Trust, which developed the project but which has has been in liquidation since April last year.
The report is understood to have warned that the project had a funding gap of up to £75 million and advised ministers against putting more taxpayers’ money at risk by extending the government’s guarantee of the trust’s cancellation liabilities.

BJ's odd socks drawer must be full to overflowing with supressed Rusky, Arcuri, Garden Bridge & wotnot reports

 

[Wicky]

Local secondary school to me is partially closing due to staff off sick - Preempting any official announcements that will be inevitably coming sooner rather than later. Expect Hospitals to go up a gear soon

"The Mitigate phase – next steps

• as NHS/HSCNI staff also start to become affected, and more seriously ill patients require admission, clinicians may recommend a significantly different approach to admissions. Some non-urgent care may be delayed to prioritise and triage service delivery. Staff rostering changes may be necessary, including calling leavers and retirees back to duty"

Moving well into the Mitigation phase of the Pandemic Plan

Coronavirus action plan: a guide to what you can expect across the UK

www.gov.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Dutch Press

 

[wheeler]

In the Dutch Press

Published 3rd September last year and still relevant.

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:

 

[oyster]

The obvious thing to do isn't go from one to another, with the obvious delays, but to shout from the rooftops: "Can anyone make ventilators? Loads of money if you can."

Looks like they were reading this forum and my post:



Matt Hancock
@MattHancock

Calling all manufacturers who can support our National Effort for #coronavirus ventilator production - to help, contact Government Business Support team: 0300 456 3565 / ventilator.support@beis.gov.uk
2,544

11:57 AM - Mar 16, 2020

 

[Wicky]

DIY > https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/

Chapter 3. Basic Principles of Ventilator Design | Principles and Practice of Mechanical Ventilation, 3e | AccessMedicine | McGraw-Hill Medical

accessmedicine.mhmedical.com

"There was a time when you could take a handful of simple tools and do routine maintenance on your car engine. About that time the average clinician could also completely disassemble and reassemble a mechanical ventilator as a training exercise or to perform repairs. In those days (the late 1970s), textbooks1 describing ventilators understandably paid much attention to the individual mechanical components and pneumatic schematics. In fact, this philosophy was reflected to some extent in previous editions of this book. Today, both cars and ventilators are incredibly complex mechanical devices controlled by multiple microprocessors running sophisticated software (Fig. 3-1). Figure 3-2 shows the pneumatic schematic of a current intensive care ventilator. All but the most rudimentary maintenance of ventilators is now the responsibility of specially trained biomedical engineers. "

I wonder if we are completely lacking in UK firms that make these from scratch and usually import them.

 

[oyster]

DIY > https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/

That is, quite simply, brilliant.

Some of the comments are so po-faced. It was done with due warnings and a degree of humour. Not expecting people to lash them up and trundle into ICU with them. Yes, in time a decent version might have become possible.

 

[oldgroaner]

Participants receive first dose of experimental coronavirus vaccine — The Standard

Follow our live blog for all the latest coronavirus updates

apple.news

First human tests of vaccine

 

[Wicky]

It's certainly a challenge for sure - Like asking Brit firms to source component parts and mass produce from scratch a very reliable Bosch type standard electric bike in a matter of a few short weeks with little room for trial & error. Also not just make them, staff have got to confidently use and carry out maintainance on them.

Hospital ICUs will be like battleground soon and needing these specialist machines like Sherman tanks after D-day.

 

[Woosh]

I suppose you could connect an oxygen supply source to a cheap CPAP machine (the sort that is used to treat apnea) to make up a cheap respirator.

 

[Danidl]

I suppose you could connect an oxygen supply source to a cheap CPAP machine (the sort that is used to treat apnea) to make up a cheap respirator.

We have these machines at home .. eg oxygen concentration machine and CPAP ..both used by my son. The Oxygen concentrator is not a DIY job .. uses rare earth elements and adsorption.
When I suggested washing machine manufacturers as ventilators, I was not joking. The inlet valves and pressure sensor switches are the lowest cost sources for these items. So in terms of scrap, the local recycling centre has these in abundance.

 

[oyster]

We have these machines at home .. eg oxygen concentration machine and CPAP ..both used by my son. The Oxygen concentrator is not a DIY job .. uses rare earth elements and adsorption.
When I suggested washing machine manufacturers as ventilators, I was not joking. The inlet valves and pressure sensor switches are the lowest cost sources for these items. So in terms of scrap, the local recycling centre has these in abundance.

We have few actual manufacturers. And I am not at all convinced anyone would trust Hotpoint (Whirlpool) given their history of fires. Ebac? No idea.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

WHO director Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus repeated one simple message to governments - "test, test, test"

I suspect we haven't the laboratory test processing capacity to handle the ramp in demand. Like US is struggling to enlarge their testing abilities and had to enrol private laboratories as reinforcement

Forgot the Tory bible states,” if it doesn’t make a profit, then it’s no good.” It comes just after, “why should I pay for stuff poor people are going to use.”

 

[Wicky]

Coronavirus: Plan to ramp up ventilator production 'unrealistic'

A medical devices firm doubts that engineering companies can quickly switch to making ventilators.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The key will be in how it's managed. It'll involve different manufacturers making different parts - and somewhere it can go to be assembled," he says. "It's a big ask, but I think it's doable."

He said challenges would include sourcing electrical components from China and testing the units, which is a time consuming process.

But he said expectations may have to change. "These are extraordinary times, so you have to be pragmatic and innovative. We need to speak to medical professionals to find out what the core requirements are, and work to those.

"We may need to consider using older technology that's easier to produce in high volumes," Mr Morgan said.