Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Just been reading (elsewhere) someone who said CV isn't such a megedeal, death rate only 3.4%.

Aside from pointing out that it varies with age so each age group will have its own perception of risk, I also looked up some stats:

UK WWI casualties - 1.88% to 2.2%
Worldwide 1918+ flu - 2-3%
UK WWII casualties - 0.94%

So, as a simplistic percentage add Spanish flu and WWII.
 

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Just been reading (elsewhere) someone who said CV isn't such a megedeal, death rate only 3.4%.

Aside from pointing out that it varies with age so each age group will have its own perception of risk, I also looked up some stats:

UK WWI casualties - 1.88% to 2.2%
Worldwide 1918+ flu - 2-3%
UK WWII casualties - 0.94%

So, as a simplistic percentage add Spanish flu and WWII.
Stop worrying and look on the bright side.

It'll do wonders for solving the housing shortage.
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Barry Shittpeas

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Second reply, all happening now just as I thought.

Local and mayoral elections in England will be postponed for a year to May 2021 due to the coronavirus outbreak.

All league football games cancelled, London Marathon deferred to October, St Patrick's Day Parade and Festival cancelled.

Extinction Rebellion have decided to cancel their next peaceful mass action in the capital.

A huge range of London event postponements on this link.
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Our village has cancelled all further Beetle Drives until further notice too.
 

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Just been reading (elsewhere) someone who said CV isn't such a megedeal, death rate only 3.4%.

Aside from pointing out that it varies with age so each age group will have its own perception of risk, I also looked up some stats:

UK WWI casualties - 1.88% to 2.2%
Worldwide 1918+ flu - 2-3%
UK WWII casualties - 0.94%

So, as a simplistic percentage add Spanish flu and WWII.
That is kinda correct except that is assuming resources are thrown at it. If 20% need some form of hospital treatment, some of them will survive without it, but more won't . Then if hospital treatment is curtailed, the 3% becomes 4% or 5% ... That is the unknown
What WW1 cost the British was the Empire...which had been built up since 1750.
 

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Thought I'd dig up an old Mac Keynote Pandemic presentation I did when I was working for the NHS in 2006 - it was more to to with avian influenza, but still applicable

“Most experts believe that it is not a question of whether there will be another severe influenza pandemic, but when.” (The Government’s Chief Medical Officer, 2002)


“Wherever in the world a flu pandemic starts, perhaps with its epicentre in the Far East, we must assume we will be unable to prevent it reaching the UK. When it does, its impact will be severe in the number of illnesses and the disruption to everyday life. The steps we are setting out today will help us to reduce the disease's impact on our population.”
(Sir Liam Donaldson, Chief Medical Officer, 1 March 2005)

The World Health Organization predicts that one in four of the UK population could be infected in a bird flu pandemic, resulting in a possible 50,000 deaths.

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In the time it takes to develop and procure the new vaccine, the following measures would be used to try to buy time and stop the virus spreading:

• Travel between the UK and infected countries restricted and health screening begun at ports
• Infected people asked to go into voluntary isolation and those who had been in contact with them into voluntary quarantine
• Public gatherings such as football matches and concerts restricted, along with movement of people within local areas
• Schools closed
• Infected people, those who had been in contact with them and possibly the general public told to wear face masks.

Once a vaccine was available, it would be administered according to the following priorities:

• 1. Health workers occupationally most at risk
• 2. Key service workers
• 3. Group(s) most vulnerable to illness (this will depend on the strain and will not necessarily include the elderly)
• 4. Enclosed communities, such as residential care homes
• 5. People most likely to transmit the virus, such as children
• 6. General population.

 
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On the plus side, the boris/cummings policy of "get used to dying"/"since you didn't test positive no one can prove what killed you" seem to be reaching the end of its brief life
That is good news. I cannot but worry that the liberal education of the British Ruling class stopped before they did geometric progression and power laws Even implementation of these rules a day earlier , halves the infection rates.
 

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corona virus live update statistics from John Hopkins university:

 
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One of those headlines which both has a possible real story but how much case making? If people have given up their televisions, simply signing an edict that TV licences are not required will likely have very limited impact. At the same time, any over-75s found watching without a licence are probably less likely to be noticed, and dealt with, than at any other time over many years. You can imagine gaols filling up with licence transgressors - and the consequent headlines. Probably bad by DT standards!

Coronavirus: BBC TV licence fee could starve over-75s of vital news, warns charity
Senior citizens in the UK could be cut off from the world if forced to pay £157.50 to watch television
 

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Senior citizens in the UK could be cut off from the world if forced to pay £157.50 to watch television
that would be in 2027. Corona virus will be just one minor problem if they are still alive then.

Look at the current UK figures: 11 dead, 8 recovered 782 still ill.
 

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Senior citizens in the UK could be cut off from the world if forced to pay £157.50 to watch television
As an aside, most older people will have a radio of some sort so they can use those excellent news sources. There is no radio licence of course, named the Wireless Licence, it was abolished many years ago.

That free listening even includes the BBC i-player for listening outside of scheduled times.
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No deal Brexit / pandemic 'Blue Peter' style project to do with the kids to keep them busy when holed up for months on end and instil valuable recycling skills... ;-)

https://www.ehow.com/how_4514690_make-toilet-paper.html



Have to wait a while yet before we can do that!

Place the other towel with the layer of paper on it out in the sun to dry.

What sun? It will go supremely mouldy and yuck before it ever dried in current conditions. :(

And we like the one with Aloe Vera... Where'd'we get that? None in our patch.
 
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Next lunatic conspiracy theorist please! :eek:
Anything to oblige OG.

Consider this. At the start of the year in which we intend to Brexit with harmful effects and following a long period of world economic malaise including a Chinese downturn, a mysterious virus, Covid-19, appears in China.

It obediently stays on the sidelines here in Europe until Boris the Mad gets Brexit done, upon which it suddenly springs into action infecting Italy and spreading rapidly.

Economists and politicians then agree that Covid-19 will have a serious effect on the economies of the UK, Europe and indeed the whole world, so they've now forecast a protracted recession with Covid-19 to blame.

That it conveniently hides the hugely damaging effects of Brexit to the UK and the EU, the Chinese downturn and the world economic malaise is entirely coincidental of course, just down to good fortune.

In fact in effect it's just like having a world war to mask all the troubles and unite peoples, just the tactic our world leaders have turned to in the past.

Say ta OG. :)
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Anything to oblige OG.

Consider this. At the start of the year in which we intend to Brexit with harmful effects and following a long period of world economic malaise including a Chinese downturn, a mysterious virus, Covid-19, appears in China.

It obediently stays on the sidelines here in Europe until Boris the Mad gets Brexit done, upon which it suddenly springs into action infecting Italy and spreading rapidly.

Economists and politicians then agree that Covid-19 will have a serious effect on the economies of the UK, Europe and indeed the whole world, so they've now forecast a protracted recession with Covid-19 to blame.

That it conveniently hides the hugely damaging effects of Brexit to the UK and the EU, the Chinese downturn and the world economic malaise is entirely coincidental of course, just down to good fortune.

In fact in effect it's just like having a world war to mask all the troubles and unite peoples, just the tactic our world leaders have turned to in the past.

Say ta OG. :)
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You get 9.5/10 for that.... :cool:
 
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