Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

I agree, but as I listened it was clear that this was a justification for Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonald since it was the Labour budget they intended. Very large expenditure on boosting the economy, on investment to do that, on public services and the NHS and on support for all the disavantaged, whether business or individual.

Corbyn was gambling that the economy would grow enough to limit the borrowing necessary and Rishi Sunak is gambling the same.

It could be a great success if we are lucky and it does, but if we are not it will be a disaster that will cost us dear for decades.

N.B. This post is certified clear of the coronavirus and can be safely read.
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I have to say that these were my thoughts too. He’s stolen the Labour budget.

I’m not happy about it. All the borrowing and spending set against the backdrop of the damage we know Brexit will cause doesn’t inspire me. We can get ready for austerity on steroids when this house of cards comes crashing down, which it will.

The Tories will be finished by then, so they won’t care. We will probably have a Labour government who will beg their way back into the EU and adopt the Euro at 25 Cents to the Pound, because that’s all it will be worth by the time they have done.


But still, all we need to do is buy up Euros with that spare £10 million we have kicking around in a biscuit tin and we’re laughing.

 

[daveboy]

*****BREAKING NEWS! *****
Sadly news has just reached us saying that the first member of this group has sadly died because of the Coronavirus. In his house they found 500 cans of assorted food, 100kg of pasta, 75kg of rice, 200 toilet rolls and 30L of hand sanitiser which he had panic bought from Aldi “just in case!”
The whole lot collapsed and buried the daft bastard!

 

[flecc]

I have to say that these were my thoughts too. He’s stolen the Labour budget.

Ex Tory minister David Gauke agrees with us, also saying on BBC news that it was the Labour budget.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Ex Tory minister David Gauke agrees with us, also saying on BBC news that it was the Labour budget.
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Just when you think they’ve hit the seabed, they sink to new depths.

 

[oldgroaner]

The New European

@TheNewEuropean
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"With a colleague laid low with coronavirus, around 600 other MPs thought it was a good idea to crowd into a chamber with room for about half of them and ask some pointless questions" https://theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/pmqs-review-the-one-that-was-a-case-of-before-the-lord-mayors-show-1-6556435

oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Replying to
@TheNewEuropean
And for the Conservatives to deliver the Budget that cost Corbyn the Prime Ministership! what could be funnier?

 

[oldgroaner]

if I understand correctly, the corona virus that spreads is a mild form, it does not kill its hosts.
When it invades a new host, depending on the genetic makeup of the new host, it goes through a mutation. This is when about 2% may die from the mutated virus.

we still have a window of 2-4 years from now when the first vaccine may not work well.

Apparently, some firm in London offers young and fit volunteers £3,500 a jab to act as human test subjects for the new vaccine.

If ever there was a plotline for a Conspiracy theory Novel that has to be it!

That sounds pretty much exactly the ideal specification for what would be the ultimate biological weapon, all that is missing is to be able to control exactly what genetic makeup triggers the mutation.

To complete the Conspiracy theory just add the scenario where it is accidentally released from a lab before the development process is completed because some idiot sells off the lab animals to make a "bit on the side"

And as a "sting in the tail" leave the reader guessing whether the Lab actually completed the weapon and the vaccine against it, and suppressed the information for future use....

 

[Nev]

I asked a question on here the other day about would the UK and the EU be able to deal with the Brexit talks and the virus at the same time. Some politicians are starting to ask the same thing. Lisa Nandy spoke about it recently and I think one or two others have asked similar questions too. The Government are sticking to the line that they have the capacity to be able to do both.

I just read that Gove has said a Brexit conference due to take place in London next week with 150 delegates has been thrown into doubt. I think there is a slight possibility that the UK will ask for an extension. The article about next weeks conference can be found here.

London Brexit talks in doubt because of coronavirus

About 150 delegates were due to arrive next week for three days of talks

www.theguardian.com

 

[jonathan.agnew]

If ever there was a plotline for a Conspiracy theory Novel that has to be it!

That sounds pretty much exactly the ideal specification for what would be the ultimate biological weapon, all that is missing is to be able to control exactly what genetic makeup triggers the mutation.

To complete the Conspiracy theory just add the scenario where it is accidentally released from a lab before the development process is completed because some idiot sells off the lab animals to make a "bit on the side"

And as a "sting in the tail" leave the reader guessing whether the Lab actually completed the weapon and the vaccine against it, and suppressed the information for future use....

Day of the triffids here we come. In truth, as a bunch of hairless apes cohabiting in vast unhygienic unecological compounds eating and destroying and farting about with species (and their parasites) we know little about weve been lucky. Voting for boris was probably a final insult too far against nature and the gods.

 

[oldgroaner]

Day of the triffids here we come. In truth, as a bunch of hairless apes cohabiting in vast unhygienic unecological compounds eating and destroying and farting about with species (and their parasites) we know little about weve been lucky. Voting for boris was probably a final insult too far against nature and the gods.

Those the Gods would destroy they first give
Conservative Governments

My tweet of the day from

Emma Kennedy@EmmaKennedy


I mean, if you’d told me the Tories were going to embrace Marxism, I’d have laughed in your face, but HERE WE ARE.

Is she being complimentary?

 

[Wicky]

Tory cabinet will soon be working from home for a while going by Raab's snuffles in parliament...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237732322604126209

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1237825862231379969

 

[oyster]

30 billion is a lot of money. Everyone is saying that. It will have quite an impact.

HS2 is heading towards four times that...

 

[Wicky]

Made me chuckle...

“A Solid Flu Vaccine”: A Scientist Looks Back On the Day Trump Came Up With a Cure For the Coronavirus

“You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that would have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”— Donald Trump, 3/2/20 - - -It was the...

www.mcsweeneys.net

 

[oldgroaner]

It seems that "Der Sturmer" AKA the Express is losing faith in Gove
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1253685/brexit-news-eu-uk-trade-talks-fta-draft-text-boris-johnson-deal-spt
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Brexit on brink: Michael Gove’s ‘critical error’ in FTA strategy exposed by expert
MICHAEL GOVE is planning to present the EU with a draft Free Trade Agreement before the next round of negotiations - a strategy that, according to former Australian trade negotiator Dmitry Grozoubinski, could be incredibly dangerous.

 

[oldgroaner]

Budget Blues

 

[flecc]

30 billion is a lot of money. Everyone is saying that. It will have quite an impact.

HS2 is heading towards four times that...

Taking a cue from dog protection:

A budget is for a year, HS2 is for life.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Budget Blues

The sun seem to have got it right for once.

 

[gw8izr]

Done better? how about inform the public what steps will be taken to check the situation of those members of the population not temporarily in circulation?
Are there to be area Wardens?

I contacted the assembly member and raised this concern, we are a remote rural community with many elderly people who live alone.

Today I received a reply that he will raise the question with the health minister and in fairness our AM does what he says and gives good feedback.

I suggested that there is a role within the community to monitor itself but this would need formalising and leadership to ensure ad hoc measures are complete and do not put people at additional risk! I can just imagine fat Edna in her Hi-Vi coughing and spluttering from pensioner to pensioner checking they are ok ;-)

So I'll let you know what feedback I get.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Shall we rename this thread, Coronavirus, for once some facts?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I seeTrump has banned all travel from Europe into the US. Might be too late to stop the virus, but it could prevent further seeding and slow / delay the rate of infection. The U.K. should have done this at least four weeks ago. It seems like we always react to a situation one month too late.

Italy have run out of ICU beds. It was blindingly obvious that this would happen and the same will happen here because of the lack of travel restrictions. The government have not contained and delayed the virus. They were never going to succeed with their half-arsed measures.

Italy have taken the decision not to help old people who have the virus because the health system is overwhelmed. I suppose the thinking is that a person of working age can get fit again and be productive. An old person is just going to continue to be a financial burden on the country when they recover.

I don’t think it’s alarmist when I say that it would be wise to cut out all contact with other people, except for absolutely essential matters until this thing starts to subside. especially if you are of pensionable age. I don’t think hand washing is going to help, this virus seems to transmit as an aerosol very very well, perhaps better than anything else we’ve seen before. Just stay away from people.

 

[Danidl]

I seeTrump has banned all travel from Europe into the US. Might be too late to stop the virus, but it could prevent further seeding and slow / delay the rate of infection. The U.K. should have done this at least four weeks ago. It seems like we always react to a situation one month too late.

Italy have run out of ICU beds. It was blindingly obvious that this would happen and the same will happen here because of the lack of travel restrictions. The government have not contained and delayed the virus. They were never going to succeed with their half-arsed measures.

Italy have taken the decision not to help old people who have the virus because the health system is overwhelmed. I suppose the thinking is that a person of working age can get fit again and be productive. An old person is just going to continue to be a financial burden on the country when they recover.

I don’t think it’s alarmist when I say that it would be wise to cut out all contact with other people, except for absolutely essential matters until this thing starts to subside. especially if you are of pensionable age. I don’t think hand washing is going to help, this virus seems to transmit as an aerosol very very well, perhaps better than anything else we’ve seen before. Just stay away from people.

I read ..or more accurately attempted to read an article written by Chinese medical staff in the Lancet, yesterday and it makes grim reading. Its not the economic cost of older people but the how efficacious the process is. Risk factors or indicators of death include the obvious .. lung function, but also a huge variety of others ...high BP, diabetes, tobacco, heart palpitations stood out . mean time to death was about 22 days , time to recovery 16 days . Recovery being defined as reduced RNA production.