Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
No need for the word probably. BJ like Trump is a proven liar, sad state of affairs when he is preferred to JC in the election though.
that people prefer liars to less lying politicians is a pretty well proven fact.
If and when you know what your elected politician is going to do, it is much easier not to vote for him or her.
 

wheeler

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jun 4, 2016
893
1,776
Scotland
My response?
Since we have no steel industry or ability to make trains, the Germans will do very nicely and probably end up owning it as they do most of the rail network already, or will it be the Chinese? or Japanese?
I suspect Bombardier and Hitachi Rail might disagree regarding the UK's ability to build trains.

The Spanish train builder Talgo is intending to open a manufacturing facility on the site of the closed Longannet Power Station. This depends on Talgo winning the contract to supply HS2. If successful this would be a significant boost to what was a coal mining area and could result in opening the rail link from Alloa to Fife and on to Edinburgh.

I also note that as HS2 is designated as a UK project there will be Barnett consequentials for the devolved administrations.
In that case we'll see some benefit to HS2 in Scotland fairly soon because it's likely to be 30 years before we see a HS train.
 

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
I can see the benefit of having more trains but England is compact, do we need HS?
If we run more trains at lower speed (100mph), the cost/benefit would be better justified.
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
I can see the benefit of having more trains but England is compact, do we need HS?
If we run more trains at lower speed (100mph), the cost/benefit would be better justified.
I have said this before. I agree. The change from widespread 90 mph trains (even if they could often manage a few more mph) to 125 with the intercity 125/HS125 trains was a major change. Upping that to 150 is probably still acceptable. But going for the speeds projected for HS2 is barmy. And, I think I read, they will only even theoretically manage top speeds on less than half the route. With an enormous time and distance used getting there, and back down.

I believe the effective mpg for the higher speeds rises hugely.

Out of date, I'm sure, but first I found, Figure 2 in this document:

http://www.greengauge21.net/wp-content/uploads/HS2-carbon-research-interim-report.pdf
 
  • Informative
Reactions: oldgroaner

vfr400

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jun 12, 2011
9,822
3,993
Basildon
  • :D
Reactions: flecc

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
I can see the benefit of having more trains but England is compact, do we need HS?
If we run more trains at lower speed (100mph), the cost/benefit would be better justified.
As if on cue:
HS2 could run slower north of Birmingham in order to cut costs, Grant Shapps has said as he criticised the project’s “obsession” with cutting journey times.

Makes so much sense building a fast railway and putting fast rolling stock on it, just for it to be slowed down for the rest of the route.
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
WTF is going on? Is this something to do with the deep state? You couldn't make it up!
Is Indonesia leaving the EU?
 
  • :D
Reactions: flecc

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
After Brexit there will be less red tape.
Really?
"EU Commission has already instructed its member states that no product from a UK company will be considered EU-compliant after Brexit. Every British product has to be tested twice: once for Great Britain, once for the EU. - leading to a paper war for smaller British companies. "

Project fear again eh?
 
  • Agree
Reactions: flecc and oyster

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
After Brexit there will be less red tape.
Really?
"EU Commission has already instructed its member states that no product from a UK company will be considered EU-compliant after Brexit. Every British product has to be tested twice: once for Great Britain, once for the EU. - leading to a paper war for smaller British companies. "

Project fear again eh?
Will every EU product also have to be tested twice? Once for Great Britain, once for the EU?

That will really help with frictionless trade...
 
  • :D
Reactions: oldgroaner

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
I also note that as HS2 is designated as a UK project there will be Barnett consequentials for the devolved administrations.
In that case we'll see some benefit to HS2 in Scotland fairly soon because it's likely to be 30 years before we see a HS train.
But will Barnett survive? There's long been deep unhappiness with it south of the border, and given the scale of the political changes taking place currently, plus the conflict between Westminster and the SNP, I wouldn't bank on Barnett's longevity.

Westminster could take the view that if the SNP are going to be unhappy anyway, might as well give them something to be really unhappy about and save on the budget.
.
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
As if on cue:
HS2 could run slower north of Birmingham in order to cut costs, Grant Shapps has said as he criticised the project’s “obsession” with cutting journey times.

Makes so much sense building a fast railway and putting fast rolling stock on it, just for it to be slowed down for the rest of the route.
I can explain
North to politicians in Westminster is UP
South of Watford is down.
Logically the trains running "Down" to London could freewheel thus saving fuel.
Simples :cool:
 
  • :D
Reactions: oyster

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
I can explain
North to politicians in Westminster is UP
South of Watford is down.
Logically the trains running "Down" to London could freewheel thus saving fuel.
Simples :cool:
Except Up was always towards London (where that could make sense).

(Reminds me of the people who would refer to their having missed the last train from London and so caught the milk train down in the morning. Usually looking pretty hungover and dishevelled. Pointing out that milk trains go UP to London, and paper trains come DOWN from London usually didn't get take with good grace.)
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
I liked this
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-farage-receives-honorary-doctorate-1-6510381

Nigel Farage suggests divine intervention saved him from plane crash in 2010
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has said he realised he had been given a 'purpose' when he survived a plane crash during campaigning in the general election in 2010.

I'm sure that will have done wonders for recruitment numbers of the "Atheists Society"
When I go to meet my maker I shall ask the Devil for a position next to the bus stop so I can cheer Nigel as he checks in :cool:
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Except Up was always towards London (where that could make sense).

(Reminds me of the people who would refer to their having missed the last train from London and so caught the milk train down in the morning. Usually looking pretty hungover and dishevelled. Pointing out that milk trains go UP to London, and paper trains come DOWN from London usually didn't get take with good grace.)
Nay lad, to Yorkshiremen Yorkshire is always up , di'nt tha kno?
 
  • :D
Reactions: robdon

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Except Up was always towards London (where that could make sense).

(Reminds me of the people who would refer to their having missed the last train from London and so caught the milk train down in the morning. Usually looking pretty hungover and dishevelled. Pointing out that milk trains go UP to London, and paper trains come DOWN from London usually didn't get take with good grace.)
Shouldn't that be "across" or "Downish" from Wales?
 
  • :D
Reactions: flecc and oyster

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
I can see the benefit of having more trains but England is compact, do we need HS?
In that case we might as well stick with steam, we built those well. :)

Slam doors and leather strap adjusted windows are environmentally good too, and all very popular. People drive many miles for a trip on a steam train with those carriages.

We could even go back digging up our own superior anthracite coal to cleaner fuel them.
.
 
  • Like
Reactions: oldgroaner

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
  • Informative
Reactions: oyster

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
In that case we might as well stick with steam, we built those well. :)

Slam doors and leather strap adjusted windows are environmentally good too, and all very popular. People drive many miles for a trip on a steam train with those carriages.

We could even go back digging up our own superior anthracite coal to cleaner fuel them.
.
The lads at North Yorkshire Moors Railway are willing to push on till London.
The crew of the "Sir Nigel Gresley" can't wait to steam into Kings Cross in Triumph

I have to say I love that inefficient, uneconomical, messy mechanical monstrosity
And I really don't know why
I just do.
 

Advertisers