Brexit, for once some facts.

[Fingers]

My son, who is very clued in on these matters suggests that canny young people use today as the day to purchase intended major electric purchases .. Dishwashers, vacuum cleaners Fridges ,TVs

I'm waiting till Boxing day to buy new white goods for our Brexit house.

It's generally a better sale.

 

[Woosh]

So a PM with principles is a vote loser?.

did you mean PM candidate?
He's got to sell his program, when the competition does not have any new idea, he's got an easy job.
If he loses, it's because he is not a very good salesman, nothing to do with principles.

 

[Danidl]

did you mean PM candidate?
He's got to sell his program, when the competition does not have any new idea, he's got an easy job.
If he loses, it's because he is not a very good salesman, nothing to do with principles.

In D.Trump there was and is by many accounts a great salesman. No. It is a question for the UK electorate , when the dust settles who do you want to represent you as CEO , a thoughtful principled person, not given to flamboyant gestures ...with some principles you don't agree with ,or the reverse. It s not my choice or decision.
Some 30s ago we had a similar choice between a known chancer, insisting we tighten our belts while he bought an Island and a sailing yacht. The Irish response at that time was .. well we know he is a slimey crook, but he is our slimey crook.

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris is supposedly better where money is concerned?
Here he hasn't a clue about the cost of elderly social care
Nor does he know how many trade deals have been done
He is clueless!

LBC host explains Boris Johnson’s odd gesture during interview after on...

LBC has clarified what happened on air after Boris Johnson made a hand gesture that sparked online speculation while he fielded calls...

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

There's nothing like being honest when asked if you lie
Here is Boris giving a Bravura performance of that very principle.
Nothing like being honest

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1200125073421721601

 

[oyster]

That Boris, he might not always tell the truth, he might have had affairs, but, you know, he's always fun to be with. Makes me laugh.

Boris Johnson made only “placebo promises” to free Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and is responsible for putting more British Iranian dual nationals in the jails of Tehran, her husband Richard Ratcliffe claims in a bitter letter to the prime minister.

The accusation was made in a private letter sent by Ratcliffe to Johnson 100 days ago, seeking a meeting alongside his daughter, Gabriella, to discuss his wife’s three-and-a-half-year imprisonment.

Ratcliffe received nothing more than an acknowledgement from Downing Street, and has now released its content.

 

[oyster]

The nasty, lying, toerag party:

BBC tells Conservative Party to remove edited Facebook ad featuring its reporters
Clip 'could damage perceptions of our impartiality', says Auntie
By John Oates 29 Nov 2019 at 12:23

The BBC has complained to the Conservative Party over a Facebook advert that features video clips of news reporters Laura Kuenssberg and Huw Edwards.

The ad starts with Kuenssberg, in her natty jacket, saying "pointless delay to Brexit" followed by Edwards saying "another Brexit delay" with shaky shots of the House of Commons and flashed images of Jeremy Corbyn.

It goes on to claim that: "Parliament now holds the prime minister prisoner" before ending with a plea to vote Conservative.

Auntie said: "We're aware of Conservative Party Facebook adverts using edited BBC content. This is a completely unacceptable use of BBC content which distorts our output and which could damage perceptions of our impartiality. We are asking the Conservatives to remove these adverts."
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/29/bbc_objects_to_conservative_facebook_ad/

Let us hope the BBC fires all barrels at the tories for this.

Added: I have sent in a complaint to the BBC asking why they are only asking and not demanding. Probably go in their waste bin but if I don't say anything they can assume I don't mind.

 

[50Hertz]

I am doing my best not to spend a single penny today.

For a number of reasons. Not least, the assumption (until proved wrong) that all BF deals are in their interests and not ours. But also, in my own very little way, a message that I shall not fall into their trap. Undone by the millions who do.

I think Which tracked the price of 80 items from a range of goods for a whole year. Only two out of the 80 were at their cheapest on Black Friday.

I try to avoid spending money on Black Friday and for182 days either side.

 

[Fingers]

if anyone does want to buy anything on Amazon today or any day make sure you use this website first

Amazon price tracker, Amazon price history charts, price watches, and price drop alerts.

camelcamelcamel: Amazon price tracker, Amazon price history charts, price watches, and price drop alerts.

uk.camelcamelcamel.com

you copy the url of the item you are buying from Amazon the paste it here and it checks its prices since it first went on sale on Amazon. It's a useful tool to check if you are getting bargain.

 

[50Hertz]

Not by million miles, why do you keep deluding yourself that the liar is trustworthy?
He will rat on you the same as he does the others who have trusted him.
This is how rogue states come into being, voters who fear for their bank balances prepared to support proven villains in the hope they personally won't suffer and to hell with anyone else.
Every tin pot dictator in history has relied on unquestioning support from the greedy and gullible, who hold their noses, when they are told the other politician is to be feared because he will rob them.
And who tells them that?
The media owned by the bad guys of course
As soon as they are in power, what do they do?
The very thing they warned suckers the other fella would do of course.
You are about to get the government you deserve if you vote for a known villain.
The only winner will be Putin, who has made a good return on his investments.

Here is the plot of your little black comedy

Boris will suddenly decide that the deal he has allegedly got has been thrown out by the EU
He will say no worries we have an oven ready deal with the USA ready to sign
Kiss goodbye to the NHS
Watch the welfare state be dismantled "because we cant afford it"
Watch wages and working conditions drop to third world standards
Watch poverty soar and the market crash.
Watch unrest break out among those on the receiving end.

When it does, remember this is what you "knew you were voting for"

I don’t trust Johnson. He’s a liar. He will break his promises. He won’t do a quarter of the things he promises. He will let the majority of people down He is a better prospect than Labour.

I think Labour’s spending plans and the almost careless/ reckless pledging of billions and billions of pounds on a whim, with just hours of forethought and contemplation is more dangerous than Johnson. What else are they just going to splurge billions on? Where is the money coming from?

My hope is that Johnson narrowly get in, Corbyn is kicked out and replaced with a more central leader. Pretty quickly Johnson will be despised by a majority and hopefully a more central Labour government will win. Then I would like to see more spending by a Labour government in a calculated and sustainable manner.

 

[Woosh]

My hope is that Johnson narrowly get in, Corbyn is kicked out and replaced with a more central leader.

if JC loses, he won't step down and there is no hope for a less 'socialist' Labour leader without the support of Momentum in the same way that Bojo wouldn't be replaced by a less 'leaver'.

 

[Fingers]

if JC loses, he won't step down and there is no hope for a less 'socialist' Labour leader without the support of Momentum in the same way that Bojo wouldn't be replaced by a less 'leaver'.

It will probably split the labour party.

 

[Danidl]

I don’t trust Johnson. He’s a liar. He will break his promises. He won’t do a quarter of the things he promises. He will let the majority of people down He is a better prospect than Labour.

I think Labour’s spending plans and the almost careless/ reckless pledging of billions and billions of pounds on a whim, with just hours of forethought and contemplation is more dangerous than Johnson. What else are they just going to splurge billions on? Where is the money coming from?

My hope is that Johnson narrowly get in, Corbyn is kicked out and replaced with a more central leader. Pretty quickly Johnson will be despised by a majority and hopefully a more central Labour government will win. Then I would like to see more spending by a Labour government in a calculated and sustainable manner.

I learned a bitter lesson a number of years ago that playing politics is not worth it , when I attempted to tactically vote for one organisation in the hope of getting two organisations represented on a panel. The nett effect neither was represented. Facts on the ground have a habit of changing,. It is better to go with conviction.

 

[Fingers]

Just missed all that nonsense on London Bridge.

I was out getting lunch. Seems like it could be terrorist and not gang related.

 

[daveboy]

For me, the WASPI issue reconfirmed just how reckless Labour is with regards to spending.

WASPI will cost fifty eight thousand million pounds. That level of spending was planned and decided upon in the space of 48 hours. That is reckless. Properly thought out spending of that level can not happen in such a short space of time. If they can do that, what the hell is going to happen if ever they formed a government? Johnson is still the least worst of the options available.

Errr Mrs May found 1.5 billion for the D.U.P.

 

[Danidl]

Errr Mrs May found 1.5 billion for the D.U.P.

.. I am not sure how much of that was actually delivered.

 

[50Hertz]

Errr Mrs May found 1.5 billion for the D.U.P.

I know and that was immediately after telling us there was no money, for anything. That had to be a lie. However, this is £58 billion, and £58 thought up in the space of 48 hours. It's the short time period that is alarming.

 

[oldgroaner]

I don’t trust Johnson. He’s a liar. He will break his promises. He won’t do a quarter of the things he promises. He will let the majority of people down He is a better prospect than Labour.

I think Labour’s spending plans and the almost careless/ reckless pledging of billions and billions of pounds on a whim, with just hours of forethought and contemplation is more dangerous than Johnson. What else are they just going to splurge billions on? Where is the money coming from?

My hope is that Johnson narrowly get in, Corbyn is kicked out and replaced with a more central leader. Pretty quickly Johnson will be despised by a majority and hopefully a more central Labour government will win. Then I would like to see more spending by a Labour government in a calculated and sustainable manner.

When Boris gets in you can kiss goodbye to all of that, you accuse labour of coming up with nonsense in 48 hours
The Tory plotters have been planning this for 42 years!
This is an end game situation, not some minor dispute.
It will take a generation to rebuild the damage.

 

[50Hertz]

It will take a generation to rebuild the damage.

I think there is an outside chance that Johnson’s majority will be slim enough to limit the damage he does to one generations worth of repair time. Corbyn’s damage could take two generations to repair.

I think we have to face the fact that things aren’t looking at all good, regardless of who wins.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think there is an outside chance that Johnson’s majority will be slim enough to limit the damage he does to one generations worth of repair time. Corbyn’s damage could take two generations to repair.

I think we have to face the fact that things aren’t looking at all good, regardless of who wins.

Nonsense! you have that upside down, you can vote Corbyn out at the next GE, once Boris gets his No deal Brexit there will be hell to pay for far longer than five years.