Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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No it didn’t you fool.

The Brexit negotiations were undertaken by a remainer.

Idiot
And Boris accepted a deal she had already rejected, pretending he had a new one?
And you fell for it.
Telling, that!
Now he has to lie about the situation he has placed Northern Ireland in, accepting an even worse deal than TM made.
 
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oldgroaner

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I’m sorry, I must step in here. How dare you. This can not continue. It’s wrong.

I am by far the biggest idiot and the thickest person on this forum. Back off Gerald.
Not so my friend you have proved capable of learning from experience, something fingers cannot do in his state of petrified adolescence, and when you do resort to robust verbal fisticuffs, you have style.
 
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oldgroaner

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Listened to most of the "leaders" tonight. What a state we are in when at end of evening Farage spoke most sense.
Yes, as usual Corbyn says all right things but never a word about how to achieve anything. Its Walter Mitty politics. Spend on everyrhing, tax the rich, tax the companies, get a better deal, finance NHS, spend on Education, drop Uni fees. How Jeremy? How? What with?Its easy to be an idealist when you arent in power. He has no intention of being so, so can remain an idealist.
And Greens are basically insane. Lets borrow 100 billion a year and its a good investment for future. Yep, for our descendents to pay loan back with even less productivity, industry and commerce to do so.
Thank god these idiots arent running anything important. Businesses would go bust in a week. Schools would be rioting. Hospitals would be useless.
Only qualification to be an MP. Be able to dream, lie and talk utter BS.
Actually the bit you should note there is that Corbyn says all the right thing and is deluded enough to believe them.
The others simply lie.
What is your preference? it's as simple as that, do you want the country run by criminal liars or optimistic fools?
At least the optimistic fool offers a get out clause where the criminal liars offer a dead end fall off the same cliff.

It's a simple choice between chaos with Boris and a possible way out of this dilemma with Corbyn
And remember it will take longer than five years to correct the mess Boris will make.
The damage is likely to be near permanent.
 

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Actually the bit you should note there is that Corbyn says all the right thing and is deluded enough to believe them.
The others simply lie.
What is your preference? it's as simple as that, do you want the country run by criminal liars or optimistic fools?
At least the optimistic fool offers a get out clause where the criminal liars offer a dead end fall off the same cliff.

It's a simple choice between chaos with Boris and a possible way out of this dilemma with Corbyn
And remember it will take longer than five years to correct the mess Boris will make.
The damage is likely to be near permanent.
Actually I suspect the very opposite. Corbyn will have to borrow two or 3 times more than Tories. He, ll cause a massive exodus of rich, cause utter devastation accross industry, including NHS( 4 day week will require 20% more of every type of worker, skilled or otherwise). Yes, underprivileged will be targeted for a better lot but how long will that last with a failing economy.
Corbyn simply spouts idealistic dreams he can neither afford or organise. Prime example, he will negotiate a better deal. He cant.
 
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Actually I suspect the very opposite. Corbyn will have to borrow two or 3 times more than Tories. He, ll cause a massive exodus of rich, cause utter devastation accross industry, including NHS( 4 day week will require 20% more of every type of worker, skilled or otherwise). Yes, underprivileged will be targeted for a better lot but how long will that last with a failing economy.
Corbyn simply spouts idealistic dreams he can neither afford or organise. Prime example, he will negotiate a better deal. He cant.
Actually, a four day week will double the working week for a hospital consultant. I can’t see Corbyn getting that one past the BMA.
 
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I see twitter was very impressed by the factcheckUK stunt pulled by the cons.

Twitter’s statement, carried by the BBC, said:

Twitter is committed to facilitating healthy debate throughout the UK general election. We have global rules in place that prohibit behaviour that can mislead people, including those with verified accounts. Any further attempts to mislead people by editing verified profile information – in a manner seen during the UK election debate – will result in decisive corrective action.


What they seem utterly unable to see is that their decision to do this, their belief that they needed to do this, that it was OK to do this, serves to indict rather than bolster them. If they are winning on merits, why do such a stupid thing?
 

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Actually I suspect the very opposite. Corbyn will have to borrow two or 3 times more than Tories. He, ll cause a massive exodus of rich, cause utter devastation accross industry, including NHS( 4 day week will require 20% more of every type of worker, skilled or otherwise). Yes, underprivileged will be targeted for a better lot but how long will that last with a failing economy.
Corbyn simply spouts idealistic dreams he can neither afford or organise. Prime example, he will negotiate a better deal. He cant.
Whereas at present we are only seeing a mass exodus of car manufacturers, etc. Which has no impact.
 
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50Hertz

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Farage won last night. He appeared to speak the most sense, and was the most eloquent. He did not rely on worn out strap-lines. His words will resonate more profoundly with the average voter than any of the others. It’s a great shame that his overall plan will fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people.

All other leaders displayed a level of insanity that would warrant being taken into custody. Their plans will also fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people, as debt is piled upon more debt.

As I’ve said before, disaster is now inevitable and our only choice is in selecting which type of disaster we want. I think I’d like a Farage disaster, it will be infinitely more exciting than say a Jo Swindon effort.
 
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Zlatan

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Whereas at present we are only seeing a mass exodus of car manufacturers, etc. Which has no impact.
Corbyn wont cure that, he will simply add to the woes. You think Toyota etal will appreciate 4 day week and higher tax. ( for top earners and business paying wages)
Not to mention a dismayed worforce after realising they are as well off on doll but they will be able to strike with the stronger unions McDonel is planning. Marxist utopia.
How many times has our country got to be shown this approach does not work.
I, m shocked Corbyn even gets the support he does.
 
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Zlatan

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Farage won last night. He appeared to speak the most sense, and was the most eloquent. He did not rely on worn out strap-lines. His words will resonate more profoundly with the average voter than any of the others. It’s a great shame that his overall plan will fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people.

All other leaders displayed a level of insanity that would warrant being taken into custody. Their plans will also fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people, as debt is piled upon more debt.

As I’ve said before, disaster is now inevitable and our only choice is in selecting which type of disaster we want. I think I’d like a Farage disaster, it will be infinitely more exciting than say a Jo Swindon effort.
Said it earlier, what a mad world we inhabit when Farage speaks most sense. Is he even running? Who knows? Changes daily.
 

oldgroaner

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Farage won last night. He appeared to speak the most sense, and was the most eloquent. He did not rely on worn out strap-lines. His words will resonate more profoundly with the average voter than any of the others. It’s a great shame that his overall plan will fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people.

All other leaders displayed a level of insanity that would warrant being taken into custody. Their plans will also fail and cause hardship and ruin for many people, as debt is piled upon more debt.

As I’ve said before, disaster is now inevitable and our only choice is in selecting which type of disaster we want. I think I’d like a Farage disaster, it will be infinitely more exciting than say a Jo Swindon effort.
It is all going as is to be expected, a protest vote turned against the people who made it, by the culprits who they were protesting against.
Despite this these same protesters are falling into the trap a second time.
 
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Zlatan

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It is all going as is to be expected, a protest vote turned against the people who made it, by the culprits who they were protesting against.
Despite this these same protesters are falling into the trap a second time.
A trap possible only because there is no alternative.
Corbyn is simply taking us further into it. Like I, ve said a hundred of times before, if only Labour had campaigned on Remaining. Fact is he is a devout Leaver and his plans of a better deal are pipe dreams.
Why aren't you leavers lobbying Corbyn telling him to campaign on Remain???
 
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Actually I suspect the very opposite. Corbyn will have to borrow two or 3 times more than Tories. He, ll cause a massive exodus of rich, cause utter devastation accross industry, including NHS( 4 day week will require 20% more of every type of worker, skilled or otherwise). Yes, underprivileged will be targeted for a better lot but how long will that last with a failing economy.
Corbyn simply spouts idealistic dreams he can neither afford or organise. Prime example, he will negotiate a better deal. He cant.
 
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