OG, I really don't think it would have made any difference if they had had Donald Duck as their best chance - it was anybody, anybody at all to stop the Democrats.
Actually Donald Duck would probably make a better President than Trump!
Tom
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Actually Donald Duck would probably make a better President than Trump!
Tom
People are used to see him pointing his finger at the apprentices and say 'you're fired' - they take everything else he says with the same spirit, it's just a TV show, no real consequences.
He can tell porkies, the audience knows that and laughs with him.
all the other republican candidates are professional politicians, not a practiced comedian like Mr Trump.
Trump does not rock the boat for the stock market. Wall Street knows Trump is on their side.
He can tell porkies, the audience knows that and laughs with him.
all the other republican candidates are professional politicians, not a practiced comedian like Mr Trump.
Trump does not rock the boat for the stock market. Wall Street knows Trump is on their side.
he has to put a foot wrong since he becomes president elect.
Who knows, miracles may happen, that leopard may change his spots.
Who knows, miracles may happen, that leopard may change his spots.
To survive in business as long as he has, despite failures, he's either clever or has native cunning.
It's likely he has no spots, just assuming each guise according to circumstances. Two or more faces is just what every politician needs.
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Who knows?
To have a business man in charge rather than a politician may be a good Idea.
Better than our current crop of utterly naïve PPE W@nkers
To have a business man in charge rather than a politician may be a good Idea.
Better than our current crop of utterly naïve PPE W@nkers
Trump is predictable and basically understandable he won,but actually you could have put a better candidate in his place without the Trump negatives and that candidate would have done better. Anyone who promised to protect and improve the rust belt in America would have won,the establishment have done nothing for these people and Hilary represented the elite without change.
Farage and Boris appealed to the same voters in poor areas of the U.K. And like Trump had a simple message that was easily understood.
Trump and Theresa May appear to want to erect protectionism and are pursuing an inward looking country. However that may work as a fight back against China and India,it is obvious to poor Americans that globalisation has done nothing for them.
It will be interesting if Trump and May are successfull with their model,it may work,It doesn't suit me but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good route for others.
KudosDave
Farage and Boris appealed to the same voters in poor areas of the U.K. And like Trump had a simple message that was easily understood.
Trump and Theresa May appear to want to erect protectionism and are pursuing an inward looking country. However that may work as a fight back against China and India,it is obvious to poor Americans that globalisation has done nothing for them.
It will be interesting if Trump and May are successfull with their model,it may work,It doesn't suit me but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good route for others.
KudosDave
This report seems to contradict the notion that the imperative driving Brexit and Trump is economic
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/trump-and-brexit-why-its-again-not-the-economy-stupid/
If this data can be believed the root cause is fear of being reduced to an "Ethnic Minority" in what the voters perceive as "Their Country"
in other words the fear of being invaded, robbed, and dominated by a foreign culture and /or religions.
And assuming it is true, the irony is that neither Brexit nor voting for Trump can stop, nor even delay the fact that the processes of Ethnic change are well past the stage when they were reversible.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/trump-and-brexit-why-its-again-not-the-economy-stupid/
If this data can be believed the root cause is fear of being reduced to an "Ethnic Minority" in what the voters perceive as "Their Country"
in other words the fear of being invaded, robbed, and dominated by a foreign culture and /or religions.
And assuming it is true, the irony is that neither Brexit nor voting for Trump can stop, nor even delay the fact that the processes of Ethnic change are well past the stage when they were reversible.
There is evidence to suggest that these changes are not really driven by economic reasons, more ethic insecurity.
I am reminded of the opening sequence of one of my favourite films
"Those Magnificent Men in their flying Machines"
Where Red Skelton is on a cliff top watching flying birds and waggles his home made wings with smile on his face.
The camera fades then cuts to a man shaped hole in the beach and the narrator intones
"Encouraged by these Early Successes, Man kept trying."
The problem with giving the Nuclear Codes to an idiot like Trump is that he can create a much bigger hole in the landscape while learning to fly.
the LSE article can be summarized by these charts:
the fear of immigration is the overall driving factor. The undertone is cultural changes affecting older, insecured white males most of all.
despite huge mainstream media support for Clinton, Trump won thanks to facebook.
I hope that Trump's win will get to the wavering brexiters the message of contradiction between what they think they have voted for and the people they have put in power.
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The difficulty is that with help from certain quarters the Brexit voters are convinced that they are not really living in fear of "Johny Foreigner" but being brave and patriotic, and it is fear of being thought otherwise that ensured brand loyalty to "The cause" and keeps it going.the LSE article can be summarized by these charts:
the fear of immigration is the overall driving factor. The undertone is cultural changes affecting older, insecured white males most of all.
despite huge mainstream media support for Clinton, Trump won thanks to facebook.
I hope that Trump's win will get to the wavering brexiters the message of contradiction between what they think they have voted for and the people they have put in power.
Which is what they imagine Brexit to be, not an unnecessary and stupid act of self harm, but "Fighting for a Brave new world"
agreed, but we only need one out of 50 brexit voters to change their mind to stop brexit. I am pretty convinced that if May hires Farage as brexit liaison with Trump's team, that will put the majority of brexit voters off.
With a bit of luck, we may get another vote before 2020.
yes, intrinsically, morally I agree with what you and og say above re brexit and trump being about xenophobia, immigration (and a xenophobic world isn't really what I think any of us want to leave our children). extrinsically, I'm afraid (to state the obvious) the whole thing (brexit, trump, will it fall or stand) hinges on bill Clinton's dictum "it's the economy stupid". we're dealing with middle class electorates who will (as they have proved) turn a blind eye to any human costs (thousands drowning in the med etc) but take an all obsessive interest in their house prices, currency fluctuation, inflation, wages, cost of living.
derf, you have been one of the most vocal people on here when discussing currency values, house prices, inflation, wages and cost of living. Almost to the point of obsession.