Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

the scheme has always been the backstop.
The discussion is about how the backstop expires and what would replace it in case the UK leaves both the customs union and the single market.
If that happens, the replacement scheme from 2025 at the earliest will be to have the customs border at NI ports and NI will remain inside the EU's SM and CU until some kind of votes to decide otherwise.
That some kind of vote is kept under wrap at the moment.

 

[oldgroaner]

This is all very well but the backstop was only one of the objections to May's deal, and there is no time to negotiate a new one.
It will be interesting to see how many politicians are willing to hold their noses and accept BRINO.

 

[Woosh]

This is all very well but the backstop was only one of the objections to May's deal, and there is no time to negotiate a new one.
It will be interesting to see how many politicians are willing to hold their noses and accept BRINO.

May's deal is not wholly renegotiated. It's only the limitation of the backstop that is renegotiated.
By moving the customs border to the ports in NI, the logistical issue is clarified. How NI people can get out of the backstop needs now to be clarified.
it's not BRINO if Bojo has a deal, the UK will lose NI, and possibly Scotland.
Labour MPs like JC, Stephen Kinnock and Lisa Nandry will vote for it.

 

[oldgroaner]

May's deal is not wholly renegotiated. It's only the limitation of the backstop that is renegotiated.
By moving the customs border to the ports in NI, the logistical issue is clarified. How NI people can get out of the backstop needs now to be clarified.
it's not BRINO if Bojo has a deal, the UK will lose NI, and possibly Scotland.
Labour MPs like JC, Stephen Kinnock and Lisa Nandry will vote for it.

From my reading of the 550 odd pages even without the backstop it is still BRINO

 

[Danidl]

From my reading of the 550 odd pages even without the backstop it is still BRINO

Of course it is. The UK was not interested in Economic suicide.

 

[Woosh]

it's not BRINO if the UK leaves the customs union.
We import about £300 billions worth each year from outside the EU.
With an average tariff of 3.5%, we would pay into the EU customs union's coffers 80% of £10 billions!
You can see why I like the UK to join EFTA.

 

[Danidl]

the scheme has always been the backstop.
The discussion is about how the backstop expires and what would replace it in case the UK leaves both the customs union and the single market.
If that happens, the replacement scheme from 2025 at the earliest will be to have the customs border at NI ports and NI will remain inside the EU's SM and CU until some kind of votes to decide otherwise.
That some kind of vote is kept under wrap at the moment.

I would not be making the same speculation as that. The WA was there in order to be able to move on to the next phase. If the NI were within a EU customs union means that there would be EU customs in the Irish Sea when the mainland UK diverges. I cannot see the EU subcontracting that work to HMRC. The backstop does not expire, the mechanisms by which it is achieved might be modified.

 

[Woosh]

I cannot see the EU subcontracting that work to HMRC.

I can.

 

[flecc]

I cannot see the EU subcontracting that work to HMRC.

I can.

Pistols at dawn it is then.
.

 

[Woosh]

The Pound has climbed 3% since yesterday and still climbing.
It was $1.22, now hitting $1.27
If it carries on recovering, I should be able to cut my prices in time for Christmas!

Leo is right to seek compromise.

 

[Fingers]

Happy Poets day everyone

 

[Danidl]

Happy Poets day everyone

There was no rhyme or reason for that posting

 

[Fingers]

There was no rhyme or reason for that posting

I'm just wishing everyone a happy poets day.

 

[Zlatan]

There was no rhyme or reason for that posting

Just like yours then.

 

[Zlatan]

Happy poets day Fingers. Cheers.

 

[oldgroaner]

It's amazing what little things people can forget
"
Revealed: Farage’s Brexit Party chairman facing questions over offshore tax haven links
Brexit ‘Bad Boy’ Richard Tice says he doesn’t know who’s behind offshore firms that own a large stake in his family business – MEP calls for ‘urgent’ action
opendemocracy.net

Nothing to see here move along.

 

[oldgroaner]

One of the Champions of Brexit shows his true colours
How it all began so well

“The government is funding Dyson to develop a new battery electric vehicle at their headquarters in Malmesbury, Wiltshire. This will secure £174m of investment in the area, creating over 500 jobs, mostly in engineering,” said the National Infrastructure Delivery Plan published in 2016

Dyson has scrapped its electric car project

Dyson, the technology company best known for its vacuum cleaners, has scrapped a project to build electric cars.

The firm, headed by British inventor Sir James Dyson, said its engineers had developed a "fantastic electric car" but that it would not hit the roads because it was not "commercially viable".

In an email sent to all employees, Sir James said the company had unsuccessfully tried to find a buyer for the project.

The division employs 500 UK workers."

So now we get our money back?

 

[oyster]

One of the Champions of Brexit shows his true colours
How it all began so well

“The government is funding Dyson to develop a new battery electric vehicle at their headquarters in Malmesbury, Wiltshire. This will secure £174m of investment in the area, creating over 500 jobs, mostly in engineering,” said the National Infrastructure Delivery Plan published in 2016

Dyson has scrapped its electric car project

Dyson, the technology company best known for its vacuum cleaners, has scrapped a project to build electric cars.

The firm, headed by British inventor Sir James Dyson, said its engineers had developed a "fantastic electric car" but that it would not hit the roads because it was not "commercially viable".

In an email sent to all employees, Sir James said the company had unsuccessfully tried to find a buyer for the project.

The division employs 500 UK workers."

So now we get our money back?

No.

(Of course not, it doesn't work like that. )

 

[oyster]

What? No Seabourne Freight!

Government signs up ferry firms for £87m in case of no-deal Brexit
Four companies agree contracts that will help ensure supply of vital medicines
The government has signed contracts worth almost £87m with four ferry companies to help ensure the supply of vital medicines in the event that the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

The Department for Transport (DfT) said Brittany Ferries, DFDS, P&O and Stena Line would be ready to deliver capacity equivalent to thousands of heavy goods vehicles a week from the 31 October Brexit deadline. The four firms will operate on 13 routes from eight UK ports that are less likely to face disruption in the event of a no-deal Brexit: Teesport, Hull, Killingholme, Felixstowe, Harwich, Tilbury, Portsmouth and Poole.

The six-month contracts are worth as much as £86.6m to the ferry operators. If the extra capacity is not needed, including under a negotiated Brexit deal, the government will pay the companies up to £11.5m in termination fees.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/11/government-signs-up-ferry-firms-for-87m-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

No.

(Of course not, it doesn't work like that. )

Oh! I am surprised!