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Still all the best my friend
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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If that is how you wish to view it, then that's fine with me. I think we both agree that it makes no difference?
Indeed we do I shall miss your comments, as you at least could form coherent arguments when you cared to, all the best and I hope things work out for us all
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Apart from throttles for disabled?
Otherwise yip speed limit for cars of 30 mph or 50kph it's all the same.
And even that law has been superceded here if the bike is converted to an Ebike as my Brompton was, (throttle only)which means we can actually modify EU laws when we choose to, nevertheless well spotted!
I note Tillson has annotated your piece as 'funny'. Strangely, I don't see anything funny about it, indeed, I thing it's a devastatingly accurate summary of where we are with this 'Brexit' nonsense.
Another day passes since the referendum and still, not one of the rabble-rousing spokespersons from the fascist leadership of the pre-referendum movement has presented the nation with any kind of realistic scenario for the post-'Brexit', new age. Worse, the incompetent tory government has grasped the nettle and opted to drive the issue forwards to a conclusion, still with no description of what kind of place the UK will be following the divorce.
A manifesto, guaranteeing a list of desirable features that would make the proposition sound attractive is as far away as ever so we are being driven along on a fascist fantasy with only the prospect of higher prices, higher inflation, increased unemployment, a worthless economy, divided society and a perverted democracy - this is George Orwell's worst nightmares come true!
Yet, Tillson thinks this is good.
The children of this generation will suffer because of the selfishness and racism today's electorate has bequeathed them.
Tom
Every government minister avoids a straight answer to the question of are we going to leave the single market. They all want to talk about immigration control. Because May failed at controlling immigration whilst Home Secretary this is her favoured red line, a second go .
I worry that she thinks that immigration control is so important even if the economy tanks she isn't concerned.
Ironically May is trying to do a trade deal with India, every curry house has said that there is a shortage of skilled curry chefs in the U.K., this could be a need for an extra 100,000 Indian chefs in the U.K.
KudosDave
I worry that she thinks that immigration control is so important even if the economy tanks she isn't concerned.
Ironically May is trying to do a trade deal with India, every curry house has said that there is a shortage of skilled curry chefs in the U.K., this could be a need for an extra 100,000 Indian chefs in the U.K.
KudosDave
She hasn't got a cat-in-hell's chance. The EU has been trying to do that for nine years with no success, and they are not alone in that failure.
Worst of all is that India always excludes services from every deal to protect themselves, and services are 80% of our exports.
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It seems that Brexit has caused such emotion that gets very aggressive. On the TV were 2 ladies who so shouted each other down that the conversation was lost in the shouting.
Farage is stirring up Leaver hatred suggesting to the point of civil unrest, the Mail anti judges 'enemies of the people' Gina Miller has had personal threats including acid attacks. Joe Cox was killed because she was a Remainer.
Tillson.....it seems to me that all the nastiness and aggressive rhetoric is coming from the Leave side.
After a GE the losing side tries to argue their position, that after all is the reason of an opposition.
But the Leavers on this referendum seem to act like bullies in the school playground, we won ,you lost, now shut up... I don't see why 16million remainers should not have a voice, just because some right wing bullies supported by May try to slap us down.
As Tom has said Leavers don't seem to have a clue what they want out of Brexit, except to create obstacles to trading with our biggest trading bloc.
Will Leavers accept massive tax rises because the government has destroyed our tax take post Brexit.
I have , sensibly, organised my personal and business affairs such that I won't be hurt by a hard Brexit, the poor will pay, but do they realise that?
KudosDave
Farage is stirring up Leaver hatred suggesting to the point of civil unrest, the Mail anti judges 'enemies of the people' Gina Miller has had personal threats including acid attacks. Joe Cox was killed because she was a Remainer.
Tillson.....it seems to me that all the nastiness and aggressive rhetoric is coming from the Leave side.
After a GE the losing side tries to argue their position, that after all is the reason of an opposition.
But the Leavers on this referendum seem to act like bullies in the school playground, we won ,you lost, now shut up... I don't see why 16million remainers should not have a voice, just because some right wing bullies supported by May try to slap us down.
As Tom has said Leavers don't seem to have a clue what they want out of Brexit, except to create obstacles to trading with our biggest trading bloc.
Will Leavers accept massive tax rises because the government has destroyed our tax take post Brexit.
I have , sensibly, organised my personal and business affairs such that I won't be hurt by a hard Brexit, the poor will pay, but do they realise that?
KudosDave
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I've taken no notice of the insults in this thread, simply because I know the participants if face to face would be buying each other drinks.
It's politics, just as in the House of Commons they abuse each other but are friends outside of the chamber. The arguments are about political positions, not people.
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I'm worried that any kind of deal, even a lousy deal, will be proclaimed by the tory media wing as the best deal in town and a real achievement. That's the kind of spin they do all the time - 'better for business, better for the economy and better for Britain!' Invariably, that is always a lie.
The much-hyped 'Brexit' negotiations, whenever they occur, are very likely to be treated in the same way. When the time comes and we have achieved the best deal possible, a sheet of paper with a line down the middle should form the front page of all the country's newspapers illustrating on one side, what the UK enjoys from membership and on the other, all the elements we 'achieve' from negotiations.
I can't help but think, regardless of whatever spin is put on the outcome, we already have the best deal possible, you know the one - I'd call it, 'better for business, better for the economy and better for Britain' - but it really wouldn't be a lie!
Tom
After my last comments I was hoping to get a Reasoned argument in Favour of Brexit from tillson.
Unfortunately he did a "Boris" on me; is there anyone out there in Brexitland prepared to take his place?
Someone...
Anyone..............?
Unfortunately he did a "Boris" on me; is there anyone out there in Brexitland prepared to take his place?
Someone...
Anyone..............?
The problem if one puts oneself in the place of a Brexit voter is the dillemna of coming, as you believe, to drain a swamp of an unknown size with your bare hands, only to find yourself up to the proverbial private parts in Alligators
Especially ones like ourselves, who's motto is "Make it Snappy"
With the exception of myself of course, I'm just a cuddly old pussy cat
Quite obviously the best strategy to apply to Negotiations over Brexit is to use one that Woody Allen mentioned long ago when he said
"Instantly I resorted to the old Navajo Indian trick
of screaming and begging"
It could work somewhat better than the Nigel Farage strategy of
"Ranting and Raving."
And would perhaps lead to a more courteous request to close the door after us than being ejected through it while it was still closed.
The Sun
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'WHAT PART OF LEAVE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?'
Nigel Farage warns there will be RIOTS on the streets if Brexit is blocked by MPs as he blasts ‘Chief Wrexiteer’ Gina Miller in a fiery TV interview
Actually the part of "leave" I don't understand is the notion that an advisory referendum produces a narrow victory for the leave faction, and no one at all knows what the result of carrying out this action (which all but a few very dodgy characters regard as mad) will be.
Yet somehow this unexpected result takes on the stature of a God given command from "The people" without going through the process of being examined for whether or not it is a good or suicidal idea.
By all means set the process going and let's in the meantime have an investigation of how the situation has developed, and check the truth behind not merely the current propaganda, but that over the last forty plus years aimed at the people about the EU by the Government and press.
Where lies and distortions have been used, let the perpetrators be subject to censure.
When we have got that out of the way, the terms the EU will offer presented for Public scrutiny and the Public are far better informed as to how we got to this stage, at who's urging, and what the consequences, honestly presented for the first time in our benighted history, then put it to a legally binding referendum as to whether we go, stay or accept some other option.
As far as I am concerned anything less is "Unfinished Business" as Farage puts it, and he can shove his threats of riots in the street where the sun doesn't shine.
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'WHAT PART OF LEAVE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?'
Nigel Farage warns there will be RIOTS on the streets if Brexit is blocked by MPs as he blasts ‘Chief Wrexiteer’ Gina Miller in a fiery TV interview
Actually the part of "leave" I don't understand is the notion that an advisory referendum produces a narrow victory for the leave faction, and no one at all knows what the result of carrying out this action (which all but a few very dodgy characters regard as mad) will be.
Yet somehow this unexpected result takes on the stature of a God given command from "The people" without going through the process of being examined for whether or not it is a good or suicidal idea.
By all means set the process going and let's in the meantime have an investigation of how the situation has developed, and check the truth behind not merely the current propaganda, but that over the last forty plus years aimed at the people about the EU by the Government and press.
Where lies and distortions have been used, let the perpetrators be subject to censure.
When we have got that out of the way, the terms the EU will offer presented for Public scrutiny and the Public are far better informed as to how we got to this stage, at who's urging, and what the consequences, honestly presented for the first time in our benighted history, then put it to a legally binding referendum as to whether we go, stay or accept some other option.
As far as I am concerned anything less is "Unfinished Business" as Farage puts it, and he can shove his threats of riots in the street where the sun doesn't shine.
Theresa May has said that despite the court ruling she is pursuing Brexit 'in full'......does anybody know what she means by 'Brexit in full'???
She also reeled out bits of her now boring rhetoric...
'We are going to pursue the best possible deal for Britain'......would we expect our PM to work towards the worst possible deal for Britain??....but we have no idea what is her idea of the best possible deal,it appears not to include continuing in the single market.
'We are getting on with the job'.....would we expect our PM not to get on with the job???......does anyone know what the job is?
Even May has stopped using 'Brexit means Brexit', that's got boring
When she reports from India she will announce that the trade lobby has been very successful,a trade deal is 'in progress,ready for when we trigger Article 50 and this shows that 'The UK is grasping the opportunities to expand business outside of the EU and we should welcome those opportunities'.....there won't be any mention of 100,000 more visas to Indians wanting to come to the UK or the massive balance of trade with India,free trade would hurt our textile industry or the barriers to our services access to India.
KudosDave
She also reeled out bits of her now boring rhetoric...
'We are going to pursue the best possible deal for Britain'......would we expect our PM to work towards the worst possible deal for Britain??....but we have no idea what is her idea of the best possible deal,it appears not to include continuing in the single market.
'We are getting on with the job'.....would we expect our PM not to get on with the job???......does anyone know what the job is?
Even May has stopped using 'Brexit means Brexit', that's got boring
When she reports from India she will announce that the trade lobby has been very successful,a trade deal is 'in progress,ready for when we trigger Article 50 and this shows that 'The UK is grasping the opportunities to expand business outside of the EU and we should welcome those opportunities'.....there won't be any mention of 100,000 more visas to Indians wanting to come to the UK or the massive balance of trade with India,free trade would hurt our textile industry or the barriers to our services access to India.
KudosDave
So the effect of preventing the free movement of people in the EU consists of letting in 100, 000 Indian citizens.
Sorry I seem to fail to understand how she will sell that to the Brexit voters.
I have read Reuters,City am and it appears that 'Brexit in full' appears to be a full English leaving out the black pudding!!!!
KudosDave
KudosDave
Next time I stop at a roadside "Greasy Spoon" I shall order one!
But those Indians won't be from the EU so they won't count in the numbers,anyway the Indian curry houses will be a special case,alongside the NHS,the farmers,the research guys,the university academics,the city of London essentials,the toilet cleaners at motorway services etc etc.
KudosDave