Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

I'm not sure that's clear. I see nothing to stop him taking a break and appointing a deputy PM in his short absence, able to request the extension. Then no law is broken.
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imagine the date is 19 October.
Bojo comes back from Brussels without a deal and goes on TV blaming the Commision, the ROI, Macron, Merkel etc.

In the chaos that follows, Court case, confidence vote etc, the UK can still hit the deadline without asking the EU for an extension of Article 50.

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh Dear!
https://www.ft.com/content/b6571af0-d003-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f
Max Hastings: Boris, Churchill and the implosion of the Tories

 

[oldgroaner]

An amusing tweet




David Allen Green

@davidallengreen
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3h

If Johnson commits the tort of misfeasance in public office by deliberately disobeying the law on Article 50 extension, his personal liability for colossal losses caused by a No Deal Brexit... ...will mean he would be more likely to be living in a ditch than dying in one

 

[flecc]

And if BJ were unable to decide in advance, would he still be able to decide?

What I'm trying to get across is that there is no immediate "in advance".

The request for the extension doesn't have to be made on Monday after the Royal Assent, there's plenty of time yet before the deadline. Johnson can just take a break or go on an official foreign trip, appointing whoever to take over as deputy in his absence. The understanding being the deputy would send the request and no offence occurs.

There's nothing unusual in this, before we had planes PMs could be away for very long periods on board ships or overseas at times.
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[50Hertz]

You seem to know lots about this..

Yes it happened to the leader of our local council. Horrible man, lived in a two bedroomed social housing association owned property, and was determined that everyone else would too. There was more to it than just jacking-off to animal porn, he was stealing property from the council as well. Got away lightly on the grounds of ill health. He died 18 months after the scandal broke, so there might have been something in the health excuse. Either that or he wanked himself to death.

 

[flecc]

imagine the date is 19 October.

As I just intimated to Oyster, 19th October is a long way away. Plenty of time for Johnson to be absent on any excuse with a deputy PM sending the extension request.

He saves face, no law is broken. Simples.
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[oyster]

I'm speaking of the deputy appointed and then temporary cover for absence. It's often been the case in the past. I mentioned Clegg, but I remember John Prescott was deputy PM to Tony Blair for ten years, acting for him in many absences.
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Clegg was at least formally DPM. But had DC suffered something that truly inacpacitated him, there is nothing that says Clegg would or should have taken over. DC might have allowed Clegg to appear to be in charge when DC was on holiday.

I really can't image the coalition having allowed a LibDem to become PM if the incapacity were permanent.

 

[Woosh]

What I'm trying to get across is that there is no immediate "in advance".

The request for the extension doesn't have to be made on Monday after the Royal Assent, there's plenty of time yet before the deadline. Johnson can just take a break of go on an official foreign trip, appointing whoever to take over as deputy in his absence. The understanding being the deputy would send the request and no offence occurs.

There's nothing unusual in this, before we had planes PMs could be away for very long periods on board ships or overseas at times.
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it's not a matter of 'face' but many will see BJ as hero if he goes to jail over refusing to 'bow to the EU'.

 

[50Hertz]

What I'm trying to get across is that there is no immediate "in advance".

The request for the extension doesn't have to be made on Monday after the Royal Assent, there's plenty of time yet before the deadline. Johnson can just take a break of go on an official foreign trip, appointing whoever to take over as deputy in his absence. The understanding being the deputy would send the request and no offence occurs.

There's nothing unusual in this, before we had planes PMs could be away for very long periods on board ships or overseas at times.
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That’s what I thought. I can’t see how requesting an extension can be avoided. Johnson has made such a big song & dance about how he will never request such an extension, his only option is to get one of his shitmunchers to do it. Then, technically, HE hasn’t requested the extension to A50.

But he did say we will definitely be leaving on 31/10. How does he get past that one?

 

[oyster]

Oh Dear!
https://www.ft.com/content/b6571af0-d003-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f
Max Hastings: Boris, Churchill and the implosion of the Tories

I can't see anything other than the title - can you say a bit more of what the story is?

 

[flecc]

it's not a matter of 'face' but many will see BJ as hero if he goes to jail over refusing to 'bow to the EU'.

Agreed, but he won't.
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[oyster]

An amusing tweet

David Allen Green
@davidallengreen
·
3h

If Johnson commits the tort of misfeasance in public office by deliberately disobeying the law on Article 50 extension, his personal liability for colossal losses caused by a No Deal Brexit... ...will mean he would be more likely to be living in a ditch than dying in one

How many DT columns would he have to write to cover that much money?

 

[oyster]

That’s what I thought. I can’t see how requesting an extension can be avoided. Johnson has made such a big song & dance about how he will never request such an extension, his only option is to get one of his shitmunchers to do it. Then, technically, HE hasn’t requested the extension to A50.

But he did say we will definitely be leaving on 31/10. How does he get past that one?

I see what you are saying but do you think that will pass muster with those who actually want to believe he won't request an extension? I really don't know.

 

[flecc]

Clegg was at least formally DPM. But had DC suffered something that truly inacpacitated him, there is nothing that says Clegg would or should have taken over. DC might have allowed Clegg to appear to be in charge when DC was on holiday.

I really can't image the coalition having allowed a LibDem to become PM if the incapacity were permanent.

Of course not, but I'm not arguing replacement since there won't be any if the extension is requested by a deputy. I'm only speaking of short temporary absence, since clearly Johnson will want to do a whole 5 year term at least. His delusions of being another Churchill probably means he is thinking PM for life.
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[oyster]

Of course not, but I'm not arguing replacement since there won't be any if the extension is requested by a deputy. I'm only speaking of short temporary absence, since clearly Johnson will want to do a whole 5 year term at least. His delusions of being another Churchill probably means he is thinking PM for life.
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Clarification please, is that "a whole 5 year term" in gaol or as PM? Or in a ditch?

 

[flecc]

do you think that will pass muster with those who actually want to believe he won't request an extension?

He'll just bluff it off in his usual manner, knowing how short most people's memories are.
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[flecc]

Clarification please, is that "a whole 5 year term" in gaol or as PM? Or in a ditch?

PM.

He will never go to goal for not requesting an extension. I don't understand why anyone is thinking he might.
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[50Hertz]

I see what you are saying but do you think that will pass muster with those who actually want to believe he won't request an extension? I really don't know.

I don’t believe he had any other option but to embark on this course of action. He’s cornered himself.

He will definitely be able to sell it to the hard core Brexiters. They’ve bought into no-deal, no £350 million per week, no dictating terms to the EU. The Brexiters are a pushover and will swallow whatever horse dung he sends their way. Give Boris a few weeks and he will have the Brexiters saying that requesting an extension to A50 was what he said he was going to do at the outset.

 

[oyster]

Every so often, a cartoon appeals in a special way...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/07/famous-last-words-cartoon

 

[oldgroaner]

I can't see anything other than the title - can you say a bit more of what the story is?

It won't let me back in! Sorry!