Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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Yes, that sort of thing. Like when your local councillor down loads animal porn on a works computer and then gets caught jacking off to it. They become “too ill” to undergo investigation.
You seem to know lots about this..
 

flecc

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So there really is a brexit bonus.
Prison seems unlikely for a first offence, especially as it's more akin to a civil than criminal one. But what alternative?

There's a Community order, picking up litter, cleaning off grafiti etc.

Or maybe a mischievous bench could decide on an ASBO, banning him from going within 100 yards of the Houses of Parliament. :D
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flecc

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the DM wil say that Bojo is the real enemy of the people if he lets Corbyn into No10 or bring May's deal back.
And bringing back May's deal with very minor tweaking like a backstop time limit is now looking ever more likely.

It'll be interesting to see if the DM and/or the ERG attempt to dress that up as acceptable.
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Bojo planned to spend £100 millions on advertising for no deal brexit.
what will become of his ad campaign now that the law makes it a total waste of money?
 

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He might be smart enough to get in first by saying he was taking a holiday, leaving Gove holding the fort as deputy in the usual PM's holiday manner.

Then Gove while temporarily in office as PM could ask Brussels for the extension.

I think we can be sure there will be some device to ensure no legal crisis while he saves face.
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Would Gove be the successor, temporary or otherwise, if BJ were unable to continue (e.g. illness)? He isn't deputy PM (no-one is, I think) and, even if he were, that would not make his succession automatic.
 

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Bojo planned to spend £100 millions on advertising for no deal brexit.
what will become of his ad campaign now that the law makes it a total waste of money?
It will maybe go ahead cleverly disguised, but in truth helping his GE campaign without going onto the GE expenditure books.
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Would Gove be the successor, temporary or otherwise, if BJ were unable to continue (e.g. illness)? He isn't deputy PM (no-one is, I think) and, even if he were, that would not make his succession automatic.
No succession necessary if he's only temporarily covering in the post. Johnson wouldn't be kept out of parliament permanently by the Speaker. The usual form is that an apology is issued by the offender, enabling return to the benches. By that time the extension request crisis would have passed, having been resolved in some way or other.
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oyster

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Bojo planned to spend £100 millions on advertising for no deal brexit.
what will become of his ad campaign now that the law makes it a total waste of money?
Wow, think how many bridges you could have failed to build for that! (Not quite two.)
Or bought 900 secondhand, unusable water cannon.
Or a contracted for a tenth of a fleet of rubbish buses.
 

oyster

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No succession necessary if he's only temporarily covering in the post. Johnson wouldn't be kept out of parliament permanently by the Speaker. The usual form is that an apology is issued by the offender, enabling return to the benches. By that time the extension request crisis would have passed, having been resolved in some way or other.
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But on what basis would it be Gove covering (as I said, temporarily or permanently)? Why not one of the others?
 

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He might be smart enough to get in first by saying he was taking a holiday, leaving Gove holding the fort as deputy in the usual PM's holiday manner.

Then Gove while temporarily in office as PM could ask Brussels for the extension.

I think we can be sure there will be some device to ensure no legal crisis while he saves face.
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the problem is he goes to jail for defying the law, so what? If he gets brexit done?
Vote down the Queen's speech?
 

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Wow, think how many bridges you could have failed to build for that! (Not quite two.)
Or bought 900 secondhand, unusable water cannon.
Or a contracted for a tenth of a fleet of rubbish buses.
Or bought 1.2 miles of HS2.
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flecc

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But on what basis would it be Gove covering (as I said, temporarily or permanently)? Why not one of the others?
Yes, it could be any, but Gove was a leading campaigner for Brexit and in support of Johnson's No Deal, so most likely as deputy in my view.

It would be up to Johnson since it's solely the PM's choice. The last deputy PM was Nick Clegg, chosen by Cameron.
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Yes, it could be any, but Gove was a leading campaigner for Brexit and in support of Johnson's No Deal, so most likely as deputy in my view.

It would be up to Johnson since it's solely the PM's choice. The last deputy PM was Nick Clegg, chosen by Cameron.
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But being DPM does NOT automatically mean that person will take over in the case of some sort of incapacity.

And if BJ were unable to decide in advance, would he still be able to decide?
 

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the problem is he goes to jail for defying the law
I'm not sure that's clear. I see nothing to stop him taking a break and appointing a deputy PM in his short absence, able to request the extension. Then no law is broken.
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flecc

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But being DPM does NOT automatically mean that person will take over in the case of some sort of incapacity.
I'm speaking of the deputy appointed and then temporary cover for absence. It's often been the case in the past. I mentioned Clegg, but I remember John Prescott was deputy PM to Tony Blair for ten years, acting for him in many absences.
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And bringing back May's deal with very minor tweaking like a backstop time limit is now looking ever more likely.

It'll be interesting to see if the DM and/or the ERG attempt to dress that up as acceptable.
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Needs must when the Devil drives! o_O
 
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