Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Because London is “Stafford” by people from all over the country/ world, it’s right that some of the wealth they generate is distributed just as widely.

Some of the wealth! £50 billions is almost all of it each year.

The only decent sized chunk we've kept in recent years is the £15 billions for Crossrail, but that from seven years of the £50 billions per annum.

And as for identity you are very wrong. We are proud of our identity as Londoners and defensive of London as this post shows. What you say applies to all parts of Great Britain. Or are all those immigrant populations in other towns and cities mythical?

You are also wrong on company movements. For decades government has been bribing companies to move away from London to areas they see as less well off, meaning we've lost most of our former industries and a huge amount of commerce. My own area has suffered this very badly. Government departments too, moved elsewhere.
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[gray198]

socialism /communism doesn't work.Russia for example still has mass poverty, still has people in positions of privilege in control of the purse strings and very few rights for the ordinary people. Why on earth anyone would think that we would be better off under that is not facing the truth. Don't know how much of the recent drama about Chernobyl was based on fact, but if it was accurate, we should not want to go anywhere near it with it's casual disregard for the citizens and danger it was putting the world in

 

[50Hertz]

I think Rory Stewart has played a blinder by offering to work with Nigel Farage and the Brexit party if he becomes prime minister. I bet the others never saw that one coming her!

Now watch them try and outbid that. Who will be the 1st to make an offer to work with the ghost of Adolf Hitler?

 

[Fingers]

Id

Id have thought all those overindulged dodgy oap's on the costa del sol were a more natural tory enclave

What a nasty and silly thing to say.


And yes. Postal voting is being severely abused. It's by a certain demographic of society too it seems.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

why are they overindulged. Do you begrudge them getting what they have worked for. Suppose you'd prefer to have them put down so you can give the money to some youngsters who don't want to work

Try not to project too many of your morbid fantasies into me. It was a demographic value free observation. I have overindulged dodgy friends out there. You are, however, trying to change the subject. It is by way of observing that postal voters are not necessarilly labour supporters.

 

[flecc]

socialism /communism doesn't work.Russia for example still has mass poverty, still has people in positions of privilege in control of the purse strings and very few rights for the ordinary people.

Perhaps it's escaped your notice, but Russia adopted capitalism after the fall of the USSR. But 30 years of capitalism since has resulted in the poor being no better off than before and for many of them, far, far worse off. That's why over a third of the population want to return to communism.

Don't know how much of the recent drama about Chernobyl was based on fact, but if it was accurate, we should not want to go anywhere near it with it's casual disregard for the citizens and danger it was putting the world in

It was grossly exaggerated rubbish, much of it completely untrue. The West knew of it happening immediately and Reagon promptly offered US scientific and medical help which was provided on a massive scale, supplemented with much help from other countries.
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[jonathan.agnew]

London isn’t a place with an identity anymore. Because it happens to have the title of The Capital, companies from an very wide area locate there, for no other reason than being located in a Capital City. Then people from many different areas lodge themselves in London to take employment advantage.

Because London is “Stafford” by people from all over the country/ world, it’s right that some of the wealth they generate is distributed just as widely.

You are so utterly wrong. And you clearly have no idea what youre talking about. I have an office in queen anne street. Have had for more than ten years. In that time,courtesy of immigration,the area has become much more vibrant cosmopolitan. Try to substitute direct experience for assumption next time.

 

[50Hertz]

You are so utterly wrong. And you clearly have no idea what youre talking about. I have an office in queen anne street. Have had for more than ten years. In that time,courtesy of immigration,the area has become much more vibrant cosmopolitan. Try to substitute direct experience for assumption next time.

My observation is based on direct experience. London is just a place of work now, like a giant Amazon warehouse employing people from all over the UK and the wider world.

 

[flecc]

My observation is based on direct experience. London is just a place of work now, like a giant Amazon warehouse employing people from all over the UK and the wider world.

Utter nonsense, some 10.2 millions live in London now and quite a few actually commute out to their work. If you had any worthwhile direct experience you'd know that.

And as I've already posted in reply to you, the population and their employments are little different from town and cities elsewhere in the country. Mixed populations from all over Britain and the world working in companies from all over the world. We don't even have the likes of Amazon warehouses, all such supplies reach us from other towns and cities.
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[gray198]

Perhaps it's escaped your notice, but Russia adopted capitalism after the fall of the USSR. But 30 years of capitalism since has resulted in the poor being no better off than before and for many of them, far, far worse off. That's why over a third of the population want to return to communism.

I think they are in a sort of halfway house, and still have a lot of the corruption left over from previous regimes.

 

[Fingers]

Perhaps it's escaped your notice, but Russia adopted capitalism after the fall of the USSR. But 30 years of capitalism since has resulted in the poor being no better off than before and for many of them, far, far worse off. That's why over a third of the population want to return to communism.



It was grossly exaggerated rubbish, much of it completely untrue. The West knew of it happening immediately and Reagon promptly offered US scientific and medical help which was provided on a massive scale, supplemented with much help from other countries.
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I bet you haven't even seen Chernobyl.

It was massively and deeply researched. It is probably the best TV made this century

But of course it doesn't fit your narrative so it is wrong and massively exaggerated.

What a load of cobblers you speak sometimes. You twist yourself in knots trying to make yourself right when you are fundamentally wrong.

There is actually a program on this week explaining just how correct the TV series was.

Of course they will be lying as well.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I bet you haven't even seen Chernobyl.

It was massively and deeply researched. It is probably the best TV made this century

But of course it doesn't fit your narrative so it is wrong and massively exaggerated.

What a load of cobblers you speak sometimes. You twist yourself in knots trying to make yourself right when you are fundamentally wrong.

There is actually a program on this week explaining just how correct the TV series was.

Of course they will be lying as well.

You're the living proof of the hazards of spending life watching telly instead of living.

 

[flecc]

I bet you haven't even seen Chernobyl.

It was massively and deeply researched. It is probably the best TV made this century

But of course it doesn't fit your narrative so it is wrong and massively exaggerated.

What a load of cobblers you speak sometimes. You twist yourself in knots trying to make yourself right when you are fundamentally wrong.

Try reading the books written by those who were working on the consequences there at the time, serious books written by authors from the USA and elsewhere, some of them scientists.

I'd much rather trust their accounts that I read long ago than a drama made today to shock and entertain.

There's living proof on the ground at Chernobyl that illustrates the exaggeration in that drama series. They won't recognise the portrayal.

There is actually a program on this week explaining just how correct the TV series was.

Made by people who were wearing nappies at the time.
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[flecc]

I think they are in a sort of halfway house, and still have a lot of the corruption left over from previous regimes.

Possibly, but overwhelmed by the capitalist era corruption of the oligarchs.
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[Danidl]

I bet you haven't even seen Chernobyl.

It was massively and deeply researched. It is probably the best TV made this century

But of course it doesn't fit your narrative so it is wrong and massively exaggerated.

What a load of cobblers you speak sometimes. You twist yourself in knots trying to make yourself right when you are fundamentally wrong.

There is actually a program on this week explaining just how correct the TV series was.

Of course they will be lying as well.

So what itch are you now scratching?.

 

[Fingers]

Try reading the books written by those who were working on the consequences there at the time, serious books written by authors from the USA and elsewhere, some of them scientists.

I'd much rather trust their accounts that I read long ago than a drama made today to shock and entertain.

There's living proof on the ground at Chernobyl that illustrates the exaggeration in that drama series. They won't recognise the portrayal.



Made by people who were wearing nappies at the time.
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As I said. You haven't even seen the series.

You are talking utter nonsense.

You give groaner a run on that front. Christ. That's something I thought I would never say.

You are trying to defend communism on a TV series you have never watched.

Think about that. Because that is where we are.

Embarrassing.

 

[oldgroaner]

Not being sarcastic OG but seriously you should volunteer for some political group. If the level of effort, time and thought (???) you have spent on this thread were replicated on a more productive media platform you, d be famous by now. (or infamous?)
Not sure where to direct you, I, m sure Fingers could recommend something.

I would prefer a recommendation from a reputable source

 

[Fingers]

You're the living proof of the hazards of spending life watching telly instead of living.

What a silly thing to say.

 

[oldgroaner]

As I said. You haven't even seen the series.

You are talking utter nonsense.

You give groaner a run on that front. Christ. That's something I thought I would never say.

You are trying to defend communism on a TV series you have never watched.

Think about that. Because that is where we are.

Embarrassing.

Regarding a TV series as serious evidence?now that is embarassing, but hey! why not make on our very own Nuclear Bonfire?
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/12/windscale-nuclear-disaster/
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Aftermath


Still keen on getting their hands on the nuclear weapons designs, British leaders covered up the real cause of the accident and blamed it on Windscale’s heroic workers. The deceit was successful, and the U.S. shared its nuclear secrets with the British. Subsequent inquiries, by the BBC and others, have revealed that it was the government’s relaxed safety policies that were ultimately to blame.

Health wise, it was also a disaster. Although not on the scale with Chernobyl, the Windscale release of iodine-131, caesium-137 and xenon-133 are thought to have caused at least 200 cancer cases; it is believed that the numbers would be far higher were it not for the last-minute addition of the filters.

Thankfully, however, the brave workers who faced the fire had no increased rates of cancer or mortality; in fact, the reactor manager who scaled the reactor multiple times died in 2008 at the age of 90.

After the fire cooled, 15 tons of uranium fuel was sealed in the reactor tank at the site, and it is not scheduled to be decommissioned until 2037.

An old joke was that if the Russians has contacted the UK atomic Energy commission for advice on how to tackle the Chernobyl disaster they would have been advised
"Do what we did, don't tell anyone about it ,then blame the workers when it comes out"

 

[oldgroaner]

Now you are sinking really low, not only repeating a post you've already made, but deliberately enlarging the text and editing out part of what I posted to make it mean different.

And you call me nasty.
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Is he up to his old tricks again?