Brexit, for once some facts.

Wicky

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Yep, world has gone mad.

Had a BBQ last night, couple came from over road. Only spoke twice with him in 20 years... But he asked me if I was voting in EU elections... Said probably. Tried to change subject. He informed us all he was voting for Farage. Somebody told him he, s not standing in our area.... He grunted a bit and said " you know what I mean". I tried to change subject. Same person asked him why he, d vote for Farage, if he could.
Answer
"He will nationalise British Steel and get them back on their feet"..
It went very quiet with lots of head shaking. This bloke runs his own construction firm. Not sure how, but has a fantastic house, drives an 18 month old 5 series.
I changed subject...
Oh dear. What have we all done.
Nationwide affliction of Brexit should be added to this list > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

I fear the affect is going to spread to Europe with influx of Brexit supporting MEPs - like Invasion of the Body Snatchers and 28 Days Later & 28 Weeks Later series of horror movies.

 

oldgroaner

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Can someone please explain how a Party (in this case the new BXP led by the Milk Shake magnet) put a candidate in for every MEP area (except NI) and yet not have a single policy or manifesto.
Its purely getting support on the NOT the others, NOT their policies, NOT their manifest. Yes, we get it they are going to campaign to leave..... the very organisation the are being voted into.
How ridiculous our politics has become.
Exactly what are they going to campaign on whilst IN the EU. Just not going?
Apparently Farage is going to supply a raft of policies.... after the elections. Oh, thats fine then.
Yes, I still believe we should leave but not by sending to EU all the very people who want and campaigned to do so. That is utter stupidity. Nobody wins.
I think situation is getting worse. Look 6 months down line, Farage and many of his ex UKIP mates along with other Euro sceptics marching into Brussels, or perhaps staying home. Its a farce.
At best it is a twisted logic.
"I dont believe in EU but please vote for me to be EU representative"
So I can pocket the salary and expenses perhaps.
"And campaign to get them taken off me"
I dont think so. If I believed in EU I, d be in outrage.
People standing as MEPs should support the thing. It should be a prerequisite.
This can be easily solved the EU should require an oath of loyalty to be taken
 
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Woosh

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This can be easily solved the EU should require an oath of loyalty to be taken
I think Farage BXP is a special case. All the European EU sceptic parties do not want to leave the EU, they want to reform the EU, reduce immigration, reform the Schengen rules, reduce administrative opacity etc
 

50Hertz

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Can someone please explain how a Party (in this case the new BXP led by the Milk Shake magnet) put a candidate in for every MEP area (except NI) and yet not have a single policy or manifesto.
Its purely getting support on the NOT the others, NOT their policies, NOT their manifest. Yes, we get it they are going to campaign to leave..... the very organisation the are being voted into.
How ridiculous our politics has become.
Exactly what are they going to campaign on whilst IN the EU. Just not going?
Apparently Farage is going to supply a raft of policies.... after the elections. Oh, thats fine then.
Yes, I still believe we should leave but not by sending to EU all the very people who want and campaigned to do so. That is utter stupidity. Nobody wins.
I think situation is getting worse. Look 6 months down line, Farage and many of his ex UKIP mates along with other Euro sceptics marching into Brussels, or perhaps staying home. Its a farce.
At best it is a twisted logic.
"I dont believe in EU but please vote for me to be EU representative"
So I can pocket the salary and expenses perhaps.
"And campaign to get them taken off me"
I dont think so. If I believed in EU I, d be in outrage.
People standing as MEPs should support the thing. It should be a prerequisite.
It’s the state of the current parliament that is driving people towards Farage. Farage has leadership qualities, whereas few in parliament do. Unless there is a dramatic shift, he will continue to gain support from the millions of people who feel that non of the mainstream parties represent them.

This has been coming for the last two & half years.
 
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vfr400

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Can someone please explain how a Party (in this case the new BXP led by the Milk Shake magnet) put a candidate in for every MEP area (except NI) and yet not have a single policy or manifesto.
Its purely getting support on the NOT the others, NOT their policies, NOT their manifest. Yes, we get it they are going to campaign to leave..... the very organisation the are being voted into.
How ridiculous our politics has become.
Exactly what are they going to campaign on whilst IN the EU. Just not going?
Apparently Farage is going to supply a raft of policies.... after the elections. Oh, thats fine then.
Yes, I still believe we should leave but not by sending to EU all the very people who want and campaigned to do so. That is utter stupidity. Nobody wins.
I think situation is getting worse. Look 6 months down line, Farage and many of his ex UKIP mates along with other Euro sceptics marching into Brussels, or perhaps staying home. Its a farce.
At best it is a twisted logic.
"I dont believe in EU but please vote for me to be EU representative"
So I can pocket the salary and expenses perhaps.
"And campaign to get them taken off me"
I dont think so. If I believed in EU I, d be in outrage.
People standing as MEPs should support the thing. It should be a prerequisite.
It doesn't mater what their policies are, except to get us out of the EU. We will be leaving the EU sooner or later anyway, so they'd never get to implement any policies on anything else. The whole thing is a farce. basically, it's a surrogate referendum. If more than 50% vote for the Brexit and other parties with a manifesto of leaving the EU, there will be no need for a second referendum. That's what it's all about.
 
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oyster

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It’s the state of the current parliament that is driving people towards Farage. Farage has leadership qualities, whereas few in parliament do. Unless there is a dramatic shift, he will continue to gain support from the millions of people who feel that non of the mainstream parties represent them.

This has been coming for the last two & half years.
He might have vote-winning characteristics - but leadership? Not convinced.

(Not that most of the rest have either.)
 
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Woosh

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Farage has leadership qualities, whereas few in parliament do.
he has presentational skills.
If he had had leadership skills, UKIP would not have sunk to current depth.
 

Zlatan

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It’s the state of the current parliament that is driving people towards Farage. Farage has leadership qualities, whereas few in parliament do. Unless there is a dramatic shift, he will continue to gain support from the millions of people who feel that non of the mainstream parties represent them.

This has been coming for the last two & half years.
Farage has leadership qualities.? I hope you are joking.
 

Danidl

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Not convinced it would be the complete solution, but definitely a step in the right direction.
The Commission are required to take such an oath. But the MEPs are representative of their constituents, so it would not be as appropriate. It was the oath of fealty demanded to the British Crown for membership of the HoC which prevents the SF members from accepting their seats...and logically has led to the current impasse.
 
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Woosh

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It doesn't mater what their policies are, except to get us out of the EU. We will be leaving the EU sooner or later anyway, so they'd never get to implement any policies on anything else.
they do so by misrepresenting the two major parties, saying that TM's brexit is not brexit, JC's brexit is not brexit.
Their allied MPs opposed any brexit in parliament.
The truth is both TM's brexit and JC's brexit are less good than remain and they cannot show us a brexit that is better than TM's and JC's brexit.
they are selling a pig in a poke.
 

Danidl

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Farage has leadership qualities.? I hope you are joking.
I am sorry Zlatan, but he does have such qualities, charm he has in spades,the ability to change the agenda he has demonstrated.. this is leadership of a type. Whether he has the tenacity ,mindset or integrity to be other than a demagogue is unproved
 
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oldgroaner

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It’s the state of the current parliament that is driving people towards Farage. Farage has leadership qualities, whereas few in parliament do. Unless there is a dramatic shift, he will continue to gain support from the millions of people who feel that non of the mainstream parties represent them.

This has been coming for the last two & half years.
The sort of leadership that consists of walking to the front of a mob and shouting follow me?
Without having the slightest interest in the future of that mob or anyone else either.
I call that
Conmanship not leadership
 
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