Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

stumbled on this piece

If the polls are anything to go by, far-right parties will do well from Finland to Italy. Fascism is not only a mainstream ideology again in Europe; the presence of fascists in government is now a banal fact of life across the continent.

The xenophobia, racism, and bigotry that contributed to Brexit and have certainly grown since the vote are by no means unique to Britain. Electorally at least, they have been less pronounced in Britain than elsewhere. Across Europe, traditional political parties have crumbled while far-right parties have grown. In Spain, the upstart Vox seems poised to become the first far-right party to gain more than a single seat in the Cortes Generales since the death of fascist dictator Francisco Franco in 1975.
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These far-right groups have always mixed their antipathy toward immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers, Muslims, nonwhite people, and Jews with a general contempt for the European project, which they blame for diluting their national character. The irony is that, thanks to Brexit, leaving the EU can no longer be bandied about as a vague threat. People can look at Britain—clueless, hapless, bold in its announcement that it would leave but now sheepish in its capacity to actually go—and think, “Whatever else it is we want, we don’t want that.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/brexit-europe-disaster-gary-younge/

 

[Zlatan]

stumbled on this piece

If the polls are anything to go by, far-right parties will do well from Finland to Italy. Fascism is not only a mainstream ideology again in Europe; the presence of fascists in government is now a banal fact of life across the continent.

The xenophobia, racism, and bigotry that contributed to Brexit and have certainly grown since the vote are by no means unique to Britain. Electorally at least, they have been less pronounced in Britain than elsewhere. Across Europe, traditional political parties have crumbled while far-right parties have grown. In Spain, the upstart Vox seems poised to become the first far-right party to gain more than a single seat in the Cortes Generales since the death of fascist dictator Francisco Franco in 1975.
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These far-right groups have always mixed their antipathy toward immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers, Muslims, nonwhite people, and Jews with a general contempt for the European project, which they blame for diluting their national character. The irony is that, thanks to Brexit, leaving the EU can no longer be bandied about as a vague threat. People can look at Britain—clueless, hapless, bold in its announcement that it would leave but now sheepish in its capacity to actually go—and think, “Whatever else it is we want, we don’t want that.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/brexit-europe-disaster-gary-younge/

You dont have to spend much time in many parts of Europe to realise things are not as they should be. There is a growing undercurrent of racial and social unrest. I have not felt it at home.... yet.
Years ago I spent a lot of time in what was Yugoslavia. It was before the troubles there were common knowledge here. I remember saying to colleagues all wasnt well and something was amiss. I get that same feeling in Greece and Northern Spain.
France feels different even tho we are seeing protests there, the public seem to have amassed and gelled in dislike of Marcron and his policies. Northern Spain feels to me more partisan and divided. Only observations but I wont be going to Barcelona and surrounding area any time soon.Something is wrong. But then again I avoid all big cities. Hate them.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/18/european-elections-second-brexit-referendum-vote-register??????

Neologism... had to look that one up. Fair points though, cuts both ways.

 

[oldgroaner]

You dont have to spend much time in many parts of Europe to realise things are not as they should be. There is a growing undercurrent of racial and social unrest. I have not felt it at home.... yet.
Years ago I spent a lot of time in what was Yugoslavia. It was before the troubles there were common knowledge here. I remember saying to colleagues all wasnt well and something was amiss. I get that same feeling in Greece and Northern Spain.
France feels different even tho we are seeing protests there, the public seem to have amassed and gelled in dislike of Marcron and his policies. Northern Spain feels to me more partisan and divided. Only observations but I wont be going to Barcelona and surrounding area any time soon.Something is wrong. But then again I avoid all big cities. Hate them.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/18/european-elections-second-brexit-referendum-vote-register??????

Neologism... had to look that one up. Fair points though, cuts both ways.

I share your feelings about big cities! and more about other things than I think you realise my friend.

 

[oldgroaner]

Found this, it made me smile

This is being bandied around between the various leave groups, Interesting logic there!
"Unpowering the people" or is it "Untaking back control"?
Obviously a creative genius at work there.

 

[Fingers]

stumbled on this piece

If the polls are anything to go by, far-right parties will do well from Finland to Italy. Fascism is not only a mainstream ideology again in Europe; the presence of fascists in government is now a banal fact of life across the continent.

The xenophobia, racism, and bigotry that contributed to Brexit and have certainly grown since the vote are by no means unique to Britain. Electorally at least, they have been less pronounced in Britain than elsewhere. Across Europe, traditional political parties have crumbled while far-right parties have grown. In Spain, the upstart Vox seems poised to become the first far-right party to gain more than a single seat in the Cortes Generales since the death of fascist dictator Francisco Franco in 1975.
...
These far-right groups have always mixed their antipathy toward immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers, Muslims, nonwhite people, and Jews with a general contempt for the European project, which they blame for diluting their national character. The irony is that, thanks to Brexit, leaving the EU can no longer be bandied about as a vague threat. People can look at Britain—clueless, hapless, bold in its announcement that it would leave but now sheepish in its capacity to actually go—and think, “Whatever else it is we want, we don’t want that.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/brexit-europe-disaster-gary-younge/

Again and again. Brexit voters are now simply painted by the liberal press as xenophobic, racist and bigots. It’s not even dressed up as some it’s all.

It’s tiring and it just reinforces opinion.

One of the reasons I voted out was because of the far right in Europe. That view is never reported on and I know I’m not alone in this viewpoint.

Juncker and Tusk have their first sectarian N.I killing on their hands. I wonder how many more there will be.

 

[Fingers]

Found this, it made me smile

This is being bandied around between the various leave groups, Interesting logic there!
"Unpowering the people" or is it "Untaking back control"?
Obviously a creative genius at work there.

It’s fake. You are gullible. Anything that supports your views you believe. You are programmed.

Don’t feel too bad. You are in the majority on this for once.

 

[flecc]

There's not supposed to be any advertising on the BBC.

I didn't say there was, I said he's in demand from advertisers, hence the high pay he commands to appear.

Popular presenters don't come cheap. If the Beeb don't grab him and use any ordinary person, maybe Sky or ITV will take him with a rival program and take the Beebs audience. That's the reality of the broadcasting world.
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[flecc]

the rules around here are simple: If it is bad news - then without mistake this is due to Brexit.

You can hardly blame us.

The worst news of all is Theresa May's government, and it only exists because of Brexit.
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[flecc]

The government made a massive campaign to discourage everybody from buying diesels. Maybe they're all buying hybrids or petrol cars now. You tell me!

UK car sales are over half a million down, thought to be due mainly due to economic uncertainty, but partly due to loss of diesel sales, though this compensated to some extent by an increase in buying petrol.

Although hybrid and electric car sales are up, the totals are too small to have much effect at present.
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[Danidl]

Again and again. Brexit voters are now simply painted by the liberal press as xenophobic, racist and bigots. It’s not even dressed up as some it’s all.

It’s tiring and it just reinforces opinion.

One of the reasons I voted out was because of the far right in Europe. That view is never reported on and I know I’m not alone in this viewpoint.

Juncker and Tusk have their first sectarian N.I killing on their hands. I wonder how many more there will be.

Your point about wishing to protect the UK from right wing fanaticism is ingenious... When did you develop that train of thought?.
But getting on to the tragic killing in Derry last night, you have identified the wrong culprits. I have referred over the last year to an increasing level of potential for violence. I have not been alone. The PSNI and the Gardai have also warning.
So. What do we think ?
1. Opportunist Gangsterism
2. Failure to have an operational assembly in NI for Democratic discourse for going on 3 Years!.
3. The laughing stock that Brexit has made of mainland politics, diminishes respect
4. The "business opportunities" that a Hard border will provide.
5. The romance of violent struggle,as the reality fades into history.
6. The failure to prosecute more than 1 person for the Bloody Sunday murders
7. The retirements and demise into carehomes of the hardmen who signed up to the GFA..refer back to #2
8. We are coming up to the 100 anniversary of the start of the War of Independence,and the formation of the first Irish Dail, and it is Easter
9. The utter ignorance and contempt of UK mainland politicians for anything north of
To these I would include the failure of the DUP and SF ,but particularly tge DUP,who cannit see the forest for the trees.
None of the above in any way EXCUSE the rioting and shooting, but what they do is help provide a context

 

[OxygenJames]

In the Telegraph this morning
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Britain is in the grips of a knife crime crisis. So why are our police boogying on the streets with eco-anarchists?

Ross Clark
Good Question,is it because the Police are "left wing eco-anarchists" or has someone ordered them to tread lightly,and if so who?

The Guardian has this
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/18/scotland-yard-defends-response-to-climate-change-protests

So the choices are either we pay for more police on the streets.
Sort out the cause behind these protest,
Or Become a Police state and brutalise the public.

Somebody needs to explain to those eco-warrier nut-jobs that unless the sun is shining (enjoy the weekend you know it won't last) or the wind is blowing (at just the right speed) - even with the whole of the UK covered with solar panels and wind turbines - there is NO WAY on god's good earth that we can do without fossil fuels.

Nor do we need to. CO2 levels are WAY below what they have been historically and there is no PROOF that CO2 is the main and/or only factor creating the mild warming as the alarmists would have us believe.

Polar bear numbers are at record numbers btw (bet you didn't know that).

Michael Mann and his hockey stick graph - how many fell for that?

I'd lock them all up.

 

[Danidl]

Somebody needs to explain to those eco-warrier nut-jobs that unless the sun is shining (enjoy the weekend you know it won't last) or the wind is blowing (at just the right speed) - even with the whole of the UK covered with solar panels and wind turbines - there is NO WAY on god's good earth that we can do without fossil fuels.

Nor do we need to. CO2 levels are WAY below what they have been historically and there is no PROOF that CO2 is the main and/or only factor creating the mild warming as the alarmists would have us believe.

Polar bear numbers are at record numbers btw (bet you didn't know that).

Michael Mann and his hockey stick graph - how many fell for that?

I'd lock them all up.

Is there no limit to your ignorance?. There is a very good FREE book by Donald McKay FRS on renewable energy without the hot air. Just google , download it read it and then maybe you can join the grown ups discussion.

 

[50Hertz]

In the Telegraph this morning
"
Britain is in the grips of a knife crime crisis. So why are our police boogying on the streets with eco-anarchists?

Ross Clark
Good Question,is it because the Police are "left wing eco-anarchists" or has someone ordered them to tread lightly,and if so who?

The Guardian has this
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/18/scotland-yard-defends-response-to-climate-change-protests

So the choices are either we pay for more police on the streets.
Sort out the cause behind these protest,
Or Become a Police state and brutalise the public.

Or stop the police squandering millions of pounds because of incompetent management and use the ample amount of money that they do have properly.

 

[50Hertz]

Emma Thompson has arrived in London to join the Save The World from Pollution Demo. Jetted in from LA just to take part and to disrupt less privileged people's daily routine.

If ever there was a case for a passenger to be put on board a Boeing 737 MAX.

 

[flecc]

"European car manufacturers' biggest problem is the EU, UK and Welsh Governments' manic policy to ban diesel and petrol engines within 20 years," he said."

That article is utter nonsense, there is no such ban on use anywhere. No-one buying a new car considers whether new car sales will be banned in over 20 years time, which is the UK deadline 2040. Their use won't be banned beyond then, owners will be able to use them until they fall to pieces.

The only country where new car sales have been affected by a ban to date is Finland where new i.c car sales will be banned from 2025, but even there the drop in i.c. sales has mainly been due to their government making it so advantageous to buy electric.
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[flecc]

Nor do we need to. CO2 levels are WAY below what they have been historically and there is no PROOF that CO2 is the main and/or only factor creating the mild warming

You're right, the warming has obviously been caused by Brexit. It's certainly got many hot under the collar in the UK and EU.
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[oyster]

“Whatever else it is we want, we don’t want that.”

The shop chain What Everyone Wants used to be referred to as Big Dicks. I imagine a really nice, well-built chap called Richard worked for them?

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s fake. You are gullible. Anything that supports your views you believe. You are programmed.

Don’t feel too bad. You are in the majority on this for once.

Of course it is, did I say it wasn't, you are the gullible one as usual.
They are passing it round as a joke.

 

[Zlatan]

https://mol.im/a/6939417

Remainers, dont read it. You, ll be digitless..

 

[vfr400]

Not another would be smart Alec leaver, the reason we are in this mess is you fell for Bull in the first place.
Surely you aren't happy with the way Brexit is going? it's clearly on the rocks.
And what cat out of what bag are you referring to?

I'm a remainer, but to remain is now undemocratic. Anybody that has any understanding of how democracy works and how important it is needs to think very careful about these things. This is what Brexit has exposed. It's basically a fight between democracy and fascists. The fascists are not the guys that the press would have you believe. Instead, they're the ones that don't support free speech, human rights and the democratic process.