Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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I don't think it will come to that. The more pressing point is who is going to replace TM.
When she accused MPs of not helping brexit, she has already accepted that her time is fast running out.
The next PM, even as a standing in, will want to extend A50 for a year.
The EU would want to know in the next two weeks who they will have to talk to.
Within days mp's will push for a series of votes on different models of brexit - norway model,customs union etc. All very soft. Hoc is likely to take control of the agenda. General expectation is that final vote will go against may. She and hard brexiteers (including the frothing ones on this forum) are a small step away from becoming an embarrasing post script to an episode wed all rather forget.
 
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Wrong again!! - the SOURCE is from here who are considered `Neutral

https://www.opinium.co.uk/brexit-blame-game/
Compare your extract to the web page at Westmonster:

and the latest polls confirm the trend..

Public opinion has shifted in favour of No Deal Brexit
New polling from Opinium has shown that there is a clear increase in public support for a No Deal Brexit. Theresa May could have delivered that next Friday on 29th March as promised, but has chosen not to. It really is shameful.
Compare your extract to the web page at Westmonster:

https://www.westmonster.com/public-opinion-has-shifted-in-favour-of-no-deal-brexit-poll-finds/

Public opinion has shifted in favour of No Deal Brexit, poll finds
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New polling from Opinium has shown that there is a clear increase in public support for a No Deal Brexit. Theresa May could have delivered that next Friday on 29th March as promised, but has chosen not to. It really is shameful.
 

Danidl

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Ha-ha-ha ... !! clearly a massive shift to Leave -
What???...a pathetic 3M from a total of 16M two years ago - very embarrassing, and all with Bots and scripts running to push up the count..lol!

and the latest polls confirm the trend..

Public opinion has shifted in favour of No Deal Brexit
New polling from Opinium has shown that there is a clear increase in public support for a No Deal Brexit. Theresa May could have delivered that next Friday on 29th March as promised, but has chosen not to. It really is shameful.

As Opinium themselves say “in the past week there has been a shift towards No Deal amongst the public”.

If Parliament rejects Theresa May’s deal once again as expected, 46% of voters support leaving on WTO terms. That compares to 39% who support delaying Brexit to hold a second referendum, giving No Deal a 7-point lead.

Interestingly, that is a decisive shift from the week before when both choices were backed by 43% of voters.


Labour Leave voters appear to be a decisive factor and are hardening even further in favour of Brexit. In a poll last week 48% of them backed No Deal. That has now risen to 68%.

Nearly three-quarters of Conservative voters (70%) now back a No Deal Brexit as well.

The Research Manager at Opinium, James Crouch, has said: “The tone surrounding Brexit has become increasingly bitter and accusatory in the last week. Theresa May’s address last night might have tapped into the public perception that MPs are dragging their heels over Brexit, but she now faces rising anger from the group of people who ultimately have to pass her deal.

“The concern for MPs must be any public movement towards accepting No Deal. With the ultimate outcome in the balance and an ‘accidental No Deal’ easily possible, many on both sides of the House would prefer to keep the political pressure about preventing the UK crashing out of the European Union.”
Tommie there has been virtually no publicity or the process for voting in these petitions, so a couple of million is a serious uptake, for what to an honest person is not an anonymous ballot box. (We both know there is really no anonymity on the web)
. Will you still have the same viewpoint if it goes to 6 or 12 million?..
I have looked at the site, and I would assume that there are filters such as preventing the same email address being used multiple times. I have not of course tried to cast a vote. More pertinent is that the voting is consistent with known patterns,including of course those from NI. .. something which would be very un botlike
 
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Nev

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I don't think it will come to that. The more pressing point is who is going to replace TM.
David Lidington I would have thought. He will have a slight chance of preventing the Tory party from imploding, anyone else has virtually no chance.

The sad thing is there have been numerous opportunities for JC to display leadership and statesmanship in the last few months and on virtually every occasion he has failed to do so. I could not believe he had walked out of a meeting just because Chuka Ummuna was present. He doesn't seem to possess any political instinct. That just looks like childish pettiness to most people, especially when we consider the mess the Country is in.

How can someone who has sat down with the IRA and Hamas not be willing to sit down with Ummuna, its pathetic. I haven't looked at any polls lately but it would not surprise me if the Maybot is still ahead of JC which if correct is absolutely ridiculous.

If we have a GE in the next couple of months I cant see anyone worth voting for which is a terrible position to be in.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Imagine if it went to 17.5 million. I would love to see Andrea Leadsom's face then.
Heading for 3.5 million. Funny thing is i dont see any very strong bias (eg north south etc) in distribution on map, it seems very much sentiment across uk in general
 
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Imagine if it went to 17.5 million. I would love to see Andrea Leadsom's face then.
Not sure I care to look at her at all. :)

Nice to know her absolute assurances are worth the paper they are not printed on:

I was pleased to be able to speak to residents again about Brexit, and to try and assuage some of the concerns that people have. But it is important to give the absolute assurance that we are leaving the EU on the 29th March 2019, and I am determined that we will make a huge success of the future opportunities that are presented by Brexit.
https://www.andrealeadsom.com/news/20190215/brexit-public-meeting
 

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Within days mp's will push for a series of votes on different models of brexit - norway model,customs union etc. All very soft. Hoc is likely to take control of the agenda. General expectation is that final vote will go against may. She and hard brexiteers (including the frothing ones on this forum) are a small step away from becoming an embarrasing post script to an episode wed all rather forget.

You are brilliant!!

If you wasn't real (a fake account Tom, I know, I know, but it just makes it better!)

I would have to invent you!

Do NOT change pilgrim. Do not change.

Thank you Tommy liar. The gift that keeps on giving
 

oldgroaner

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On the subject of Russian bots that Farage and the BBC have touted
This from earlier
Here's the geolocated JSON data from the UK gov website. There are 28 vs 1,261,367 from the UK. Top 30 countries also ranked. Hope this helps to inform you.

 
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oldgroaner

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I wish I could taste your tears when we leave.

I bet they are strong and stable!
I realise you suffer from memory loss, apart from other things,so to remind you of my preferences , rated by desirability

1: Brexit Cancelled
2: Referendum arranged
3: No deal brexit as fastest route back into EU membership
4: Mays Deal leading more slowly back into EU membership.

Why should I shed tears when whichever way it goes, from my point of view we either remain in the EU or there is a delay in rejoining?

Brexit is just delaying the inevitable it cannot stop the formation of a United States of Europe and us being members.
No tears from me, unless they are from laughter.
 

tommie

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Tommie there has been virtually no publicity or the process for voting in these petitions, so a couple of million is a serious uptake, for what to an honest person is not an anonymous ballot box. (We both know there is really no anonymity on the web)
. Will you still have the same viewpoint if it goes to 6 or 12 million?..
Absolutely!
This has been publicised over all Media outlets, BBC, Sky Facebook, Newspapers etc.... if this doesn`t pass the 16million mark it`s been a disaster for Remain as they claim their vote has increased from two years ago.
And as for NI data, it`s highly amusing that the pro remain border area of s. armagh seemingly has LESS votes than the pro-Leave dup area of Lagan Valley, and mid-ulster sf/remain LESS than south antrim dup/Leave!

Check it - It`s a complete sham, any hacker worth his salt will have a field day !

btw - have a look here....>
UK PARLIAMENT PETITION SITE IS A JOKE!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bot reached top speed 8,500 signatures per hour.

And may I take you back to last Nov for these wise words..
[B]Sammy Wilson MP[/B]‏ @[B]eastantrimmp[/B] 30 Nov 2018
Don’t underestimate the dirty tricks, the skullduggery, the pressure and the manipulation the government will be engaged in to try and drive wedges, persuade people and weaken arguments as it tries to get this deal through Parliament.

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gray198

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are you saying that because TM asked for an extension, she betrayed brexit?
ask those who support no deal. They are the ones who push remainers to fight brexit.
in a word yes, But not only TM. The whole bunch of extreme remainers who have driven us to this point. The decision of the vote was to leave the EU. That was the result but since then it has become about what politicians want, not what we decided. Useless bunch
 

Danidl

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Absolutely!
This has been publicised over all Media outlets, BBC, Sky Facebook, Newspapers etc.... if this doesn`t pass the 16million mark it`s been a disaster for Remain as they claim their vote has increased from two years ago.
And as for NI data, it`s highly amusing that the pro remain border area of s. armagh seemingly has LESS votes than the pro-Leave dup area of Lagan Valley, and mid-ulster sf/remain LESS than south antrim dup/Leave!

Check it - It`s a complete sham, any hacker worth his salt will have a field day !

btw - have a look here....>
UK PARLIAMENT PETITION SITE IS A JOKE!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bot reached top speed 8,500 signatures per hour.

And may I take you back to last Nov for these wise words..
[B]Sammy Wilson MP[/B]‏ @[B]eastantrimmp[/B] 30 Nov 2018
Don’t underestimate the dirty tricks, the skullduggery, the pressure and the manipulation the government will be engaged in to try and drive wedges, persuade people and weaken arguments as it tries to get this deal through Parliament.

."
Look again at those NI figures. Would you not see it as possible that the level of flustration in those DUP constituencies is driving that number up. It is theoretically possible to be a NI /UK Unionist and still utterly agast with the DUP position on the Brexit position. Whereas those in SF areas are reasonably satisfied that their representatives are representing this view.
 

Danidl

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Absolutely!
This has been publicised over all Media outlets, BBC, Sky Facebook, Newspapers etc.... if this doesn`t pass the 16million mark it`s been a disaster for Remain as they claim their vote has increased from two years ago.
And as for NI data, it`s highly amusing that the pro remain border area of s. armagh seemingly has LESS votes than the pro-Leave dup area of Lagan Valley, and mid-ulster sf/remain LESS than south antrim dup/Leave!

Check it - It`s a complete sham, any hacker worth his salt will have a field day !

btw - have a look here....>
UK PARLIAMENT PETITION SITE IS A JOKE!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bot reached top speed 8,500 signatures per hour.

And may I take you back to last Nov for these wise words..
[B]Sammy Wilson MP[/B]‏ @[B]eastantrimmp[/B] 30 Nov 2018
Don’t underestimate the dirty tricks, the skullduggery, the pressure and the manipulation the government will be engaged in to try and drive wedges, persuade people and weaken arguments as it tries to get this deal through Parliament.

."
While I am sure that your wee Sammy would be great gas down at the pub or lodge, thats rhe height of his competence...
 

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