Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

OK. Food prices will come down.

One quick example I found:

Oranges - the EU tariff is 16% tariff. When we buy outside the EU we can get them 16% cheaper.

We don't HAVE to put tariffs on stuff coming in. THAT is free trade.

you are wrong on oranges.
We buy about half of our oranges from Spain, another half mostly from South Africa.
We pay zero duty on Spanish oranges and about 12% on average on South African oranges at the moment.
After a no deal brexit, we have to charge duty on all oranges prior to concluding any trade deal with the EU and with South Africa, that's 22% on average on citruses, 34% on orange juice.

 

[Zlatan]

He’s been there 8 years, so hardly a flash in the pan. I’ve posted an incident I witnessed first hand so I’m not reposting that.

My friend is a very calm and gentle person, so I don’t think he needs to re-examine his attitude thank you. I suppose it comes down to what we are prepared to accept as standards. If pig ignorance and un-professionalism are the basis of your standards, then I can see why you would have no issues with life in France.

The attitudes you mention are exactly why we departed. (Had 9 years in Languedoc Roussilon) The resistance we faced in business matters was even worse than those with those you mentioned. I mentioned it on here months ago and got same reaction. I came to conclusion the racism we faced in South France was way beyond anything experienced anywhere but it was not from general public, who were pretty much withour exception superb.
The problems arise with first rung of officialdom and get worse the higher you go. We experienced racism, where French were given preferential treatment, corruption and in some cases outright nastiness,in such things as land disputes, (local marie siding with French neighbour even though plans both in my possession and in his own office cleary showed land was ours)
Folk suggesting France is neither racist or corrupt haven't experienced the real France or tried to run a business there.
Once the chips are down in any kind of dispute they look after their own.
I have a friend who had 12 scres of land stolen from his grounds. (by the marie/council) Another bought land with building permission, on purchase Notaire assured him it would last indefinitely, 2 weeks after purchase he was informed he must complete construction within 3 months or he would lose permit to build.
Another applied to contruct a chalet on his (owned) allotment. Turned down. French friend applied for identical contruction within same block of allotments. Passed.(same month , same regime)
And thats not to mention our Notaire, Marie and Immobilier all serving sentences for a land purchase, building permits fraud.

 

[oldgroaner]

Step away from the computer.

Another would smart alec! if that is in your opinion good advice
By all means take it
So clearly you agree with other poster that to disapprove of Brexit is unpatriotic.
And yet you have changed your mind about it?
It follows you now regard yourself as unpatriotic?

 

[Woosh]

Another bought land with building permission, on purchase Notaire assured him it would last indefinitely, 2 weeks after purchase he was informed he must complete construction within 3 months or he would lose permit to build.

your friend may have confused the status 'terrain constructible' (or muni d'un certificat d'urbanisme) which lasts indefinitely (subject to zonal changes) and building permit (permis de construire) which is limited to 2 years before 2016, now 3 years. After that, it must be renewed annually. You can only renew it twice, so the maximum validity is 5 years. After that, you must re-submit for a new permit.

 

[50Hertz]

On the Beeb news app:

Nissan is expected to announce that it is cancelling a planned investment at its plant in Sunderland.

If I worked for Nissan I would be really concerned. Imagine losing your job and the consequences for your mortgage, home, personal loans on cars etc. It’s horrible. I don’t think the average Brit can afford Brexit, they are buying into a concept which is out of their price bracket. I wonder if a Nissan worker who voted Leave would do so again?

I don’t buy project fear, but sometimes you need to look at the signs regarding what is actually happening around you.

 

[Fingers]

Now who would be silly enough to post something like this?
"You remainers have very thin skin. And you are genuinely hurting."
The country is in a crisis situation and that is the best you can do?

Now you are being silly , and where did you find this notion of offering a Fake apology?
do you think that is going to work?
By the way there is no way your inane posts can hurt or offend me, as they do have an almost 100% irrelevance rating .

Try to be more sensible and even occasionally on topic and well informed, and do give over trying to be ingeuous, it takes brains to pull that off.
Don't you get tired of being made to look foolish, and have nothing worth bringing to the debate but this nonsense?

I am sorry if I have caused offence in framing my apology.

I will try and find a better way to lessen my offence when I have more time.

I apologise again.

 

[oyster]

in addition to extra duty, a few weeks and a lot of food miles.
even if you find some food cheaper (actually, I challenge James to find an example of which food will be cheaper), they are not fresher or nicer.
Definitely a wrong strategy.

I suspect there is little possibility of importing fresh perishable food from outside the EU in important quantities - at least in the shorter term. For example, if we decide we will get lettuce from that major grower, the USA, I suspect it will have to be flown in. Is there sufficient air capacity to replace much of the stream of HGVs from Spain? And air freight is almost inevitably more expensive than lorry and ship.

(That is ignoring the biological contamination of USA lettuce so recently an issue there.)

 

[Zlatan]

your friend may have confused the status 'terrain constructible' (or muni d'un certificat d'urbanisme) which lasts indefinitely (subject to zonal changes) and building permit (permis de construire) which is limited to 2 years before 2016, now 3 years. After that, it must be renewed annually. You can only renew it twice, so the maximum validity is 5 years. After that, you must re-submit for a new permit.

No he didnt. It was around French government changing rules on agricultural land. A change which was optional for Marie to conform to on land sold/purchased after law waa changed and before made compulsory. All parties knew about change at point of sale. Marie (in writing) told Notaire he would only be enforcing law after recommended date. He changed his mind post sale.
A colleaguei still there sold his house but before exchange of contracts but after deposit paid Marie put a compulsory purchase order on part of land, to build an access road. (so he claimed) New buyers had also paid deposit on new windows. Marie only offered agriciltural land price knowing full well it would be accepted. He got land for about a tenth it should be worth)
Really Woosh doing business with officialdom in France is nothing like here. Yes, obviously many are fine, but some are worse than our back street garage owners.
The sale mentioned above fell through. Mate felt bad and reimbursed purchaser for window deposit. He still has house and all land. Rents it out now.(Access roaxd cancelled???!!!)
The marie planned to sell land with planning permission we think.
You have to be extremely careful buying property in France.
I, ll tell you another.. When we left it wasnt worth bringing french car home. It had failed its CT so we scrapped it at local recycling station. Got all documentation and 150 euro.
3 months later we recieved both a speeding fine and one for using a car without a CT. Sent copies of certificates, cheque, dates and place it was scrapped.. We are still getting reminders for fine and its going up.

 

[oyster]

OK. Food prices will come down.

One quick example I found:

Oranges - the EU tariff is 16% tariff. When we buy outside the EU we can get them 16% cheaper.

We don't HAVE to put tariffs on stuff coming in. THAT is free trade.

At best it would be 16/116 less expensive.

I suspect that companies importing oranges, who find that they are less expensive than EU oranges and also now without tariff, will be quite happy to charge just the same as for EU oranges and make a larger profit.

One of the problems with changing to even wider tariff-free imports is that the government will have to replace that income somehow.

 

[Woosh]

Really Woosh doing business with officialdom in France is nothing like here.

I am used to the difference. If you want to do business in France, you need to retain the services of a lawyer (avocat) and an accountant (expert comptable). Don't try to skimp on that, even if you know the law very well. Most French lawyers and comptables will give friendly advice for a drink, so be prepared to line your stomach in advance before inviting them for a chat.
French do business in social circles, so be prepared to join in with the locals. They will give you plenty of 'tuyaux'.

 

[flecc]

On the Beeb news app:

Nissan is expected to announce that it is cancelling a planned investment at its plant in Sunderland.

If I worked for Nissan I would be really concerned. Imagine losing your job and the consequences for your mortgage, home, personal loans on cars etc. It’s horrible. I don’t think the average Brit can afford Brexit, they are buying into a concept which is out of their price bracket. I wonder if a Nissan worker who voted Leave would do so again?

I don’t buy project fear, but sometimes you need to look at the signs regarding what is actually happening around you.

There's an element of dieselgate in this, it's not all Brexit.

Basically, after Nissan had received some sort of guarantee from the government, they announced that they would plan to build the new X-Trail version at Sunderland, in addition to the Qashqai, Micra and Leaf models that are currently built there.

So it's only a cancellation of an additional model that would have needed more employees, not a threat to the existing workers building the other three models.

Dieselgate has already cost them previously, once having 9000 direct employees at Sunderland, it's currently some 7000.
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[Danidl]

Well congratulations to an excellent performance by the English Rugby team , everything went right for them today.

 

[50Hertz]

Well congratulations to an excellent performance by the English Rugby team , everything went right for them today.

I must say that I was surprised at the win. Ireland have a great team, so I’m sure they will be back.

 

[Danidl]

I am used to the difference. If you want to do business in France, you need to retain the services of a lawyer (avocat) and an accountant (expert comptable). Don't try to skimp on that, even if you know the law very well. Most French lawyers and comptables will give friendly advice for a drink, so be prepared to line your stomach in advance before inviting them for a chat.
French do business in social circles, so be prepared to join in with the locals. They will give you plenty of 'tuyaux'.

One of those major differences is that the French tend not to see property as a speculative financial activity...as it is in UK or Ireland.

 

[Kudoscycles]

We'll see. My understanding is a lot of basic food and clothes will be cheaper. US poison-impregnated chicken will be cheaper for one. Sparkling white wines for another. Anywhere the EU imposes tariffs it will be cheaper. We do not HAVE to impose WTA tariffs - we can have them set at zero if we want (WTA sets the max we can go to).

Sorry but you are forgetting that via the EU we enjoy trade deals with 60 plus countries outside of the EU,much of the foodstuff that is bought elsewhere in the world is under negotiated EU trade deals not WTO terms. If we no deal after March 29 we rapidly need to negotiate trade deals with these countries to avoid heavy tariffs and expensive food.
This is one of the reasons why May’s threat to no deal is a hollow threat,she thinks it will leverage the EU to give us a good deal but they know that it will be a disaster for the U.K.
I wonder whether the announcement that Nissan will not build its new vehicle at Sunderland is making May to consider staying in the customs union.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

OK. Food prices will come down.

One quick example I found:

Oranges - the EU tariff is 16% tariff. When we buy outside the EU we can get them 16% cheaper.

We don't HAVE to put tariffs on stuff coming in. THAT is free trade.

You really should do your homework,most of the other orange suppliers we don’t currently have a free trade deal,I believe we would pay average 25% tariff on oranges or juice from either the EU or South Africa.
Oranges would be a lot more expensive until we get a deal with say South Africa.
You really must stop believing Boris or Moggsy,they are talking out of their ........
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

On the Beeb news app:

Nissan is expected to announce that it is cancelling a planned investment at its plant in Sunderland.

If I worked for Nissan I would be really concerned. Imagine losing your job and the consequences for your mortgage, home, personal loans on cars etc. It’s horrible. I don’t think the average Brit can afford Brexit, they are buying into a concept which is out of their price bracket. I wonder if a Nissan worker who voted Leave would do so again?

I don’t buy project fear, but sometimes you need to look at the signs regarding what is actually happening around you.

To be fair they have said that they will continue building the current model at Sunderland,but once they move one model and if 10% tariffs U.K. to EU are added they must be tempted to quit completely. Don’t forget that Nissan are owned by the French.
Amazed that any Nissan voter voted leave,it just shows what a bad job the Remain team did.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Some say that the Germans will not want no deal because we buy so many German cars ,look around the car park at Gatwick airport and you will see how much we like them.
10% tariff added to a Merc,Audi or VW will make little difference to the number we buy,£4000 over 3 years on a lease will be peanuts to most purchasers.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Sign of the Times in the Times!

A corrupt Government tries to save a corrupt Referendum result by corrupting the House of Parliament vote on the withdrawal deal!

And all to achieve becoming a vassal state of the EU ( and protection of offshore bank accounts )rather than crash out with no deal which would mean the ERG selling us into vassalage of the their American Corporate cronies

Their duty is either bite the bullet and cancel Brexit or ask the Voters whether they still want it via a Referendum

 

[Fingers]

Well congratulations to an excellent performance by the English Rugby team , everything went right for them today.

Eddie Jones always said judge me on the world cup.

I apologise if this caused offence.