Surely you aren't Scotish are you?most of the Northern irish are in fact of Scottish descent so you might well be
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Former brexit minister appears more interested in USA
US agribusiness lobbyists paid for trip by David Davis
The E Foundation worked with UK thinktank on Brexit and is alleged to favour weakening EU food regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/us-agribusiness-lobbyists-paid-for-trip-by-david-davis
US agribusiness lobbyists paid for trip by David Davis
The E Foundation worked with UK thinktank on Brexit and is alleged to favour weakening EU food regulations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/us-agribusiness-lobbyists-paid-for-trip-by-david-davis
And that's Leave with a deal we can't get or leave without...
And remain when we haven't postponed art50 and referendum will take 2 months minimum to organise.. Come on OG keep up.. We, ve been here before. Thought we accepted there are massive problems around ref2.. Besides like I posted earlier, nobody in govt actually thinks a ref2 is needed after last GE.. Over 80% of voters voted for parties with leave in their manifesto...
Basing what nation does on your voting methods is a none starter OG.
massive problems not so, just ask the public for it's preference again. in or out
The government has begun detailed planning on food supplies if Britain leaves without a deal and has identified a number of sites for massive hangars to stockpile food, including one near Carlisle and others in Scotland and on the south coast.
Interesting that there are none in Wales and NI.
Just what will be stored? What are we supposed to change from and to?
Can we really manage to achieve this huge project before brexit? Possibly more importantly, before the delays start happening which, in my book, are likely way before 29/03/2019.
And who is paying for this? It is all too likely that the government will end up paying and the food industry profiting.
For the third time, this is an invalid argument.
None of those votes indicated definite support for Leave, the great majority of GE votes are for the party usually supported.
80% didn't vote for Leave in the referendum, did they, showing how false your argument is.
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Because May's deal isn't through parliament and probably won't get through with or without a majority in another ref..
No it is not. Had the issue been so controversial voters would have deserted both major parties. Your argument only makes sense if the point in question isn't a major vote winner/loser. Suppose both major parties had compulsory euthanasia at 60...Vince Cable would now be pm. That's how the system works and its exactly why Corbyn should have lied (don't tell me he doesn't) and had remain in manifesto.
You are simply trying to enforce on others your own interpretation of how you voted. ie) basing your choice on issues unrelated to Brexit. You should have made brexit/remaining a priority. You can't then go back and blame system when you didn't.
No matter how you interpret it 80% of voters voted for parties with leave in their manifestos. That is a fact.
And it was common knowledge Labour and Tories both had leave in manifestos. We discussed it at time and back then I said Corbyn should have had remain in his. You insisted he was playing long game and would show his true colours at right time. It wasn't a mistake on his part. He does want to leave or believes saying so increases his chances of getting power..
By your argument manifestos are pointless. They are not. They are what voting public expect to be carried out, or at least attempted at.
Gatwick reopened... Military cleared airspace of drones.
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If put to the electorate it doesn't matter that it's not through parliament at present.
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Irrelevant rubbish trying to wriggle out of the obvious truth and nothing to do with what I posted. It was a general election, not another referendum.
It's as I posted. A vote for a party does not indicate agreement with everything that party stands for. Sometimes a compromise for the nearest preference, but in the great majority of cases, a vote for the party usually supported, regardless of their manifesto.
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When do we ever get what we vote for? We live in hope and learn to be disappointed with the less than satisfactory outcomes.
The country voted to leave, advice to the government who hold the reins. May's Deal is all that is on offer, so it's accept that as good enough or forget it and remain members of the EU.
May's Deal means almost all the country will be dissatisfied.
Remaining will satisfy about a half of the country.
Logically the second is the best option.
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By the logic of a remainer. Leavers would say exactly the opposite. ie) Leave no deal would make 52 % ofl those that cared to vote happy.
Neither..since 1922. Actually 1 at Jan 1923. In the period 1801 onwards, the UK had an all Ireland Vice Roy sitting in what is now the president's residence. There was no local government.. but a civil service operated out of Dublin Castle (1204 ad) .
No flecc it's you talking rubbish and wriggling to justify your biased stance toward remaining, which if you were truly interested in achieving should have voted for a party wanting to provide your wishes.
Why expect either Tory or Labour to provide you with a remain when they have made commitments to achieve the opposite.
It would be like voting Labour in and then being surprised, or moaning at, the higher taxation committed to in their manifesto. Its actually worse, leave or remain is binary. Obvious, one or the other.
Your stance on this makes no sense. You expect either party to provide an outcome opposite to that stated. Very odd.
Just to remind you, lifted from Labour manifesto.
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No one wants another referendum apart from a couple of incontinent old boys on here, a couple of washed up PMs and some students.
Not gonna happen.
You should spend less time on here and more time foraging and storing.
Winter is coming.
No Deal isn't on offer so not relevant. The ERG agenda isn't democracy.
Nor can you say all 52% wanted no deal. They were told there would be a leave deal and voted for that, not for no deal.
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I didn't.
But you don't know what remainers wishes are any better than I know leavers.
And the subject was the manifesto. Specifically the Labour one.
You voted for a party that stated..
"Freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU"
Yet you seem surprised, dismayed, worried, apprehensive, annoyed, when country leaves. The manifesto made no mention of deals, or anything.
"when we leave," And you voted for it.
So stop blaming leavers and get with the programme.
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