Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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In his own words

So nobody promised anything Hmm?
And the leave fans on here complain about "Project Fear" when here we have a confession from their leader that playing on fears about immigration and false promises about money for the NHS was the technique that won the referendum
 

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“Thousands of demonstrators in Brussels have marched against a UN migration pact, signed with the EU in Marrakech last week. “

The EU are very effective at quashing debate and dialogue which doesn’t dovetail with their ideals. Surely the liberal application of baton rounds, clubbing, and CS gas will get the legislation accepted by their citizens?
 
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oldgroaner

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“Thousands of demonstrators in Brussels have marched against a UN migration pact, signed with the EU in Marrakech last week. “

The EU are very effective at quashing debate and dialogue which doesn’t dovetail with their ideals. Surely the liberal application of baton rounds, clubbing, and CS gas will get the legislation accepted by their citizens?
For your Information Brussels isn't controlled by the EU is it?
So why do you persist with this sort of argument?
Come on tillson this won't wash, what happens in Brussels is a Belgian Government matter and you know that.

This is what the pact is about
What is the UN migration pact — and why do some oppose it?
The UN's Global Compact for Migration sets out nonbinding guidelines for an integrated approach to international migration. DW looks at the agreement and at why some nations are vehemently against it.

The UN's Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration marks the first time the world body has agreed on a list of global measures to tackle the risks and challenges involved in migration for individual migrants, and at the same time to maximize benefits for the countries taking in immigrants.

The agreement comes as huge numbers of people across the world, often driven by conflict and poverty, are leaving their countries of origin to seek refuge elsewhere.

But not all countries agree with the compact's basic tenets and have been vocal in their opposition.

Read more: Czech PM questions UN migration pact after Austria exit

The text of the agreement was finalized by UN member states on July 13, 2018, and is scheduled to be adopted at a December intergovernmental conference in Marrakesh, Morocco.

The compact is based on the recognition that the entire world needs to cooperate if current and future massive migration flows are to be managed in a humane manner, while still taking account of the values of state sovereignty.

Read more: Follow the money: What are the EU's migration policy priorities?

Thousands of people have been attempting the perilous journey to Europe across the Mediterranean

What are the objectives?

The compact comprises 23 objectives for the management of migration at local, national, regional and global levels.

They include:

  • minimizing "adverse drivers and structural factors" that force people to leave their home countries
  • ensuring that all migrants have adequate documentation and identity papers
  • making objective information available on all stages of migration
  • promoting an "evidence-based public discourse"
  • saving lives and coordinating international efforts for missing migrants
  • creating conditions to allow migrants to contribute to sustainable development in all countries
  • cooperation on a safe return and readmission of migrants to their home countries if necessary

The compact does not stipulate any mandatory number of migrants to be accepted by a country.

The guidelines also call for combating trafficking and the "integrated, secure and coordinated" management of borders.

Organized exploitation of migrants in Italy

Why do some countries object?
According to the UN, the agreement as a whole takes into account "legitimate concerns of states and communities" and the fact that the repercussions of migration for respective countries and regions may differ according to their demographic, economic, social and environmental situations.
However, these assurances, and the fact that the compact is not legally binding, have not been enough to convince several UN members, including the United States, Austria and Hungary, who say they will not sign the agreement.
Governments in these countries have voiced several objections, among other things saying the compact mixes up the rights of asylum-seekers with those of economic migrants.
The US under President Donald Trump also argues that multinational agreements in general, and this one in particular, go against the sovereign power of individual governments.

So basically it's the old right wing rabble at it again isn't it? they are becoming a curse wherever they appear

From RTE
Police deployed teargas and water cannon after scuffles broke out today as thousands of people answered a call by far-right groups to reject a UN migration pact.

Police said some 5,500 people rallied in Brussels' European quarter housing a number of EU institutions.
Some held aloft banners bearing slogans including "Our people first" and "We have had enough, close the borders".
Police stepped in to disperse the crowd after projectiles and firecrackers were thrown.
Many marchers were supporters of the Vlaams Belang party, which opposes last week's signing of the UN accord in the Moroccan city of Marrakesh.

Why do you support people like that?
 
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“Thousands of demonstrators in Brussels have marched against a UN migration pact, signed with the EU in Marrakech last week. “

The EU are very effective at quashing debate and dialogue which doesn’t dovetail with their ideals. Surely the liberal application of baton rounds, clubbing, and CS gas will get the legislation accepted by their citizens?
Brussels itself is not a large city, but it is part of the most densely populated region in Europe, with tens of millions within a a two hours train drive . To munster a demonstration of thousands is no big effort, particularly when the weather is still ok. Every society has its contents, its malcontents ,it's law abiding and it's antisocial elements. These demonstrations and the gilet jeune one an hour and a half away, are examples where some people just want aggro.
I have seen first hand how crowds can be manipulated into violence, and am very wary of street politics.
Indeed apparently we had in Dublin a " me too" gilet jeune protest protesting about everything and anything .. an incoherent babble of complaints , probably in the hope of a confrontation with the Garda
 

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In Canada where the companies involved with Cambridge Analytica and others were working on Both Brexit and the Trump campaign
I think perhaps I am not seeing what you posted. This is what I see - nothing between the first sentence and the Amazing...:

Here is an interesting connection over the Atlantic


Amazing coincidence hmm?
A definite smell of rodent ....
 
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Oldgroaner - What's the source of that sceenshot?

nefarage.com is unpatriotically hosted on a dedicated cheap & nasty Godaddy US server: 160.153.207.103

1 website uses this address. Donain name first registered surprisingly recently on 26/02/2018
Hosting History - 3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years

https://iplookup.flagfox.net/?ip=160.153.207.103&host=www.nfarage.com

https://whois.domaintools.com/160.153.207.103


cruz2016.com domain is currently suspended so defaults to the domain name registar website.
First registered 31/2/2012
Hosting History - 4 changes on 5 unique name servers over 6 years

https://iplookup.flagfox.net/?ip=198.54.117.244&host=cruz2016.com

Both domain names have had websites hosted different host servers at different times.

Can't access full hosting history as that's a paid feature.
 
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oldgroaner

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I think perhaps I am not seeing what you posted. This is what I see - nothing between the first sentence and the Amazing...:

Here is an interesting connection over the Atlantic


Amazing coincidence hmm?
A definite smell of rodent ....
Sorry, but I can't explain that, it works in all my browsers
 
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oldgroaner

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Oldgroaner - What's the source of that sceenshot?

nefarage.com is unpatriotically hosted on a dedicated cheap & nasty Godaddy US server: 160.153.207.103

1 website uses this address. Donain name first registered surprisingly recently on 26/02/2018
Hosting History - 3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years

https://iplookup.flagfox.net/?ip=160.153.207.103&host=www.nfarage.com

https://whois.domaintools.com/160.153.207.103


cruz2016.com domain is currently suspended so defaults to the domain name registar website.
First registered 31/2/2012
Hosting History - 4 changes on 5 unique name servers over 6 years

https://iplookup.flagfox.net/?ip=198.54.117.244&host=cruz2016.com

Both domain names have had websites hosted different host servers at different times.

Can't access full hosting history as that's a paid feature.
This rather interesting Thread on Twitter
Cruz' setup by Rebekah Mercer / Cambridge Analytica until they had a falling out.
 
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oldgroaner

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Boris still gets his words mixed up in the Telegraph
"Boris warns public would feel betrayed by second Brexit referendum as PM's allies accused of secret plot for new vote


Note the language of the idiot. Why would MP's be called plotters for proposing a democratic Referendum? and why would it have to be in secret?

The only people who would feel betrayed are the ones who put dark money into the leave campaign

Then by mistake he tells the truth without a hint of irony
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This babble about a 'People's Vote' undermines our credibility and treats people with contempt

Boris Johnson

Too tight Bojo! so quit babbling!

"In his column in Monday’s Telegraph, he said the public would be “utterly infuriated” if Britain were to be put through the “misery and expense” of another referendum.

What he means is that it would be hard to get enemies of the state and EU to fund another leave campaign
 
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oldgroaner

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Headline in the Daily Mail
Second Brexit referendum would be a disaster, warns May: PM to fire back after claims that her own allies support behind Tony Blair's call for a new vote to break the deadlock

How does this work out?
If we have a referendum there will be a decision by the public which lightly less than half disagree with.


If we don't and Brexit turns out damaging to the public we end up with almost all of the Public (apart from a few nutters) really angry.

By what measure can not having a referendum be a good idea?
 

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