Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Idiot of the Day award to this Telegraph writer
"
Britain could so easily be a haven of stability amid the European chaos
Jeremy Warner

It's enough to make you wonder if there is something in the notion that certain names.........

 

[oyster]

Are there any leave organisations that did not behave dishonourably and illegally?

TaxPayers’ Alliance concedes it launched smears against Brexit whistleblower

Shahmir Sanni lost job and was falsely vilified as a fantasist and liar after revelations about Vote Leave spending

The rightwing pressure group the TaxPayers’ Alliance has conceded that it illegally sacked the whistleblower Shahmir Sanni for revealing unlawful overspending in the Brexit referendum campaign, in a case that could have a major impact on how lobbyists are described in the media.


In a development that lawyers have described as “almost unprecedented”, the group has also conceded that it illegally vilified Sanni on the BBC in coordination with a network of other “linked” organisations.


The alliance has accepted all the allegations Sanni made during his action claiming unfair dismissal, wrongful dismissal, direct discrimination and “dismissal by reason of a philosophical belief in the sanctity of British democracy”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/11/brexit-whistleblower-shahmir-sanni-taxpayers-alliance-concedes-it-launched-smears

 

[oyster]

Idiot of the Day award to this Telegraph writer
"
Britain could so easily be a haven of stability amid the European chaos
Jeremy Warner

It's enough to make you wonder if there is something in the notion that certain names.........

In my post just after this, TaxPayers’ Alliance concedes it launched smears against Brexit whistleblower, Shahmir Sanni who was described - entirely without foundation as a “Walter Mitty fantasist”.

That can now be re-assigned to Maurice Saatchi - and probably Jeremy Warner as well.

 

[oldgroaner]

"Pressure Groups" and "lobbyists" seems to describe some very strange beasts indeed, and they are as numerous as wasps in Autumn.

There should be some way to license and register them with properly audited accounts and published codes of conduct, as well as a list of named individuals and sources of finance.

Where political agendas are discovered these should be public knowledge and barred from contact with Government officials.

In other words put the rabid little fascist/anarchist/foreign influenced groups on a leash.
We need to separate the elected government from temptation and corruption.

Politicians should be required to follow the now all but defunct Wedding Vow.
Forsaking all others.

 

[oldgroaner]

Have you seen this man?

 

[oldgroaner]

On Twitter a rather telling poll

Of the two, who do you believe wants Brexit the most?

16%Theresa May
84%Jeremy Corbyn

 

[oldtom]

That great hero of the extreme right in the UK had this to say about the recent, devastating fires in California:



He received this response from an American lawyer, a specialist in government ethics:



Perhaps not the most statesmanlike response but it certainly makes a point.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I like these images from elsewhere on the net connected in one way or another with 'Brexit' and/or British government policies:



Then there is this which neatly describes many of the world's problems:



…..and how do you know when things have become really bad?

"You know things are really **** when everyone starts quoting me"

George Orwell

Tom

 

[flecc]

I don't know whether UK residents can access the rte player app. ,But if you can, there was an extended interview by an official from the Irish official food marketing organisation, covering dairy products etc in a post BREXIt situation. Today between 11 and 12 . RTE radio 1.
It makes serious comments about cheese,butter, meat quality etc .. obviously from the Irish perspective, but with importance to UK markets.

I've finally managed to get to listen to this program after an extended effort, but sorry Danidl, I have to say the RTE player is a total shambles. They really need to have a look at other broadcasters players to see how it should be done. The practice of naming a current affairs show with someone's name, complicated by items within also identified only with a persons name and no indication of item content was just one of the many problems, which I could write a whole page about. The item you drew our attention to turned out to be Tara McCarthy within the Marian Finucane show

However, having done the hard slog, here's two easier ways for Pedelecs members to listen to the item. The first link below takes those already with access to the RTE Player directly to the item within the program. The second link below is to an MP3 of the item which I've placed on my website, so easiest for anyone to use:

Tara McCarthy item via the RTE Player

Tara McCarthy item on MP3

The whole interesting interview is 39 minutes 40 seconds long, but only the first half is about the Brexit related issues, the majority of the remainder on other issues connected with Irish food production for export.
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[oldgroaner]

That great hero of the extreme right in the UK had this to say about the recent, devastating fires in California:

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He received this response from an American lawyer, a specialist in government ethics:

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Perhaps not the most statesmanlike response but it certainly makes a point.

Tom

Be fair tom he did criticize himself!
What a Pillock!

 

[oldgroaner]

Isn't it a comfort to know the BBC isn't biased? here is they proof that they are open handed about which MEP's get invited onto Question Time

And that is one whole year!
Time that this Propaganda Agency lost the license fee, we are paying for our enemies to spread their poison. I hope they charge Vladimir for services they render.

 

[Woosh]

And that is one whole year!

That may be so but I find D. Dimbleby is even-handed.
It could well be that he does not choose the panelists nor the audience.
in the last QT (Dulwich), remainers were a majority both on the panel and audience.

 

[oldgroaner]

That may be so but I find D. Dimbleby is even-handed.
It could well be that he does not choose the panelists nor the audience.
in the last QT (Dulwich), remainers were a majority both on the panel and audience.

The old principle of throwing the natives an occasional crumb is probably at work to deflect criticism after the Marr and Banks Duet.

 

[Woosh]

The old principle of throwing the natives an occasional crumb is probably at work to deflect criticism after the Marr and Banks Duet.

A. Marr is a brexiter, not as loud as Andrew Neil but brexiter nevertheless.
I often find they give a lot of airtime to brexiter journalists like Julia HB, Isabel Oakshott and Kate Andrews of the IEA etc.

 

[oldtom]

I find D. Dimbleby is even-handed.

I stopped watching QT quite some time ago on account of Dimbleby's overt favouring of establishment characters compared to those whose politics are left of centre.

Whether or not he has any input into the composition of the panels or audiences is somewhat irrelevant to me as the whole organisation is riddled to the core with corruption and acts against the interests of the working class, the poor, all those who are forcibly required to have tax deducted at source and those who are unable to claim expenses as part of their salary package……not to mention eye-watering bonuses just for doing that for which they are already lucratively recompensed.

The BBC does that because the organisation is a major plank of the establishment in the UK, acting primarily as the leading media propaganda organ for the royal family, the aristocracy and their political servants, the politicians of the Conservative Party. Its news and foreign affairs programmes have been distorting truth for decades to ensure the survival of the status quo in the make-up of the class system of the UK. That is why nothing ever changes for ordinary people, election after election.

QT is controlled but weighted against the Labour Party, trade unions and the public services.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

The progress of the 'Brexit' fiasco may be brought to a halt for a reason of which I wasn't aware. The attached article explains:

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/arron-banks-criminal-investigation-brexit-vote-void/?fbclid=IwAR19Gcw_74-PeHI44KC8cu7Zh9ewoToWn28A_L00h4scnMUdZRKCL192Jwg

Tom

 

[Woosh]

I stopped watching QT quite some time ago on account of Dimbleby's overt favouring of establishment characters compared to those whose politics are left of centre.

Whether or not he has any input into the composition of the panels or audiences is somewhat irrelevant to me as the whole organisation is riddled to the core with corruption and acts against the interests of the working class, the poor, all those who are forcibly required to have tax deducted at source and those who are unable to claim expenses as part of their salary package……not to mention eye-watering bonuses just for doing that for which they are already lucratively recompensed.

The BBC does that because the organisation is a major plank of the establishment in the UK, acting primarily as the leading media propaganda organ for the royal family, the aristocracy and their political servants, the politicians of the Conservative Party. Its news and foreign affairs programmes have been distorting truth for decades to ensure the survival of the status quo in the make-up of the class system of the UK. That is why nothing ever changes for ordinary people, election after election.

QT is controlled but weighted against the Labour Party, trade unions and the public services.

Tom

I disagree.
QT's format is to present debates in a politically correct manner.
There is a tendency in D. Dimbleby to treat the government with leniency, that was and still is equally true with either conservative or the last Labour government, Dimbleby will treat all panelists with leniency.
If you want to look for prejudice, look no further than Andrew Neil's and Michael Portillo's This Week.

 

[oyster]

Isn't it a comfort to know the BBC isn't biased? here is they proof that they are open handed about which MEP's get invited onto Question Time

And that is one whole year!
Time that this Propaganda Agency lost the license fee, we are paying for our enemies to spread their poison. I hope they charge Vladimir for services they render.

This week (15/11/2018) at Milford Haven - for the first time - was originally slated to have Arron Banks on the panel.

Does he count as brexit or remain after his recent comment that he would probably vote remain now? (Sarcastic and facetious rather than serious.)

I wonder who they will have?

 

[oyster]

The progress of the 'Brexit' fiasco may be brought to a halt for a reason of which I wasn't aware. The attached article explains:

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/arron-banks-criminal-investigation-brexit-vote-void/?fbclid=IwAR19Gcw_74-PeHI44KC8cu7Zh9ewoToWn28A_L00h4scnMUdZRKCL192Jwg

Tom

I note that the case quoted was brought by the Conservatives.

The Conservatives challenged this election on the grounds that the failure to stamp the ballot papers was probably accidental. As it could not be said that these ballot papers were definitely the product of an attempt to commit electoral fraud, the election result was declared void on 18 July 1974.

https://everipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London_Council_election,_1973/

I rather like the word vitiated.

 

[oldtom]

I disagree. QT's format is to present debates in a politically correct manner.

Yes, I have noted previously that you have a predilection for supporting the establishment and repeatedly supporting the notion that 'Brexit' in one form or another might be a really good thing for the UK.

Tom