Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Remember my comments on "Deep Fakes" a couple of days ago?
Lo and behold, Trump and his minions have employed that technique already with a doctored video to back up their lies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/video-jim-acosta-white-house-trump-social-media-split
'She touched him': Jim Acosta row engulfs social media

Replying to @aymanndotcom

Further analysis: video is absolutely doctored. You can see the edit when the clips are side by side and slowed down to quarter speed. See for yourself:

6:52 AM - Nov 8, 2018

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What do you expect from Trump and co? the truth?

 

[oldgroaner]

Brexit top ten
https://twitter.com/i/status/905512295417176065

 

[tillson]

Remember my comments on "Deep Fakes" a couple of days ago?
Lo and behold, Trump and his minions have employed that technique already with a doctored video to back up their lies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/video-jim-acosta-white-house-trump-social-media-split
'She touched him': Jim Acosta row engulfs social media

Replying to @aymanndotcom

Further analysis: video is absolutely doctored. You can see the edit when the clips are side by side and slowed down to quarter speed. See for yourself:

6:52 AM - Nov 8, 2018

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What do you expect from Trump and co? the truth?

#metoo. It’s very fashionable at the moment.

 

[oyster]

Perhaps Mueller can do what HoC, et al, couldn't?

In Washington, the special prosecutor, Robert S. Mueller III, has obtained records of Mr. Banks’s communications with Russian diplomats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/cambridge-analytica-arron-banks.html

 

[oldgroaner]

#metoo. It’s very fashionable at the moment.

#FakeNews is even more fashionble
Not to mention Leave and Trump supporting organisations that have finance on the scale of millions of pounds and dollars, and mysteriously the money disappears and they go #Bankrupt to avoid being taken to court for breaking the law.

What a great idea! create havoc on behalf of Putin then fade away without a scratch to emerge once again under another name with the same money they had spirited away, to do it all again somewhere else.

 

[oldtom]

Oh, the Blairite pink tories will not like this! Published on Wed 7th.



Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

I have serious questions

Assuming the following American information is true
"in its report on Tuesday, the information commissioner said that had the company still existed, it would have faced “a substantial fine for very serious breaches” or Britain’s data protection laws. The company, the report added, engaged in “unfairly processing people’s personal data for political purposes, including purposes connected with the 2016 U.S. presidential campaigns.”

The questions are thus
Why does deliberately making the company bankrupt make the following people immune from prosecution?

Lists of the Management of the company are still extant, so why are these individuals not facing Criminal Charges? they are the perpetrators of the offences after all.
And that should apply to the sponsors of the funding too.

Smoke these vermin out.
They are enemies of Democracy working against the public interest outside the law.

 

[tillson]

#FakeNews is even more fashionble
Not to mention Leave and Trump supporting organisations that have finance on the scale of millions of pounds and dollars, and mysteriously the money disappears and they go #Bankrupt to avoid being taken to court for breaking the law.

What a great idea! create havoc on behalf of Putin then fade away without a scratch to emerge once again under another name with the same money they had spirited away, to do it all again somewhere else.

It’s all a game and it’s gone on for years. Nothing new here, move along.

This type of thing, which has always happened in one form or another, is intended to destabilise and spread fear. Once instability and fear is seeded within the population it makes them much easier to control and motivate to do the dirty work on behalf of those in power.

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s all a game and it’s gone on for years. Nothing new here, move along.

This type of thing, which has always happened in one form or another, is intended to destabilise and spread fear. Once instability and fear is seeded within the population it makes them much easier to control and motivate to do the dirty work on behalf of those in power.

No tillson you can't just shrug this sort of thing aside much as you would like to as it helped the Brexit vote.

New methods have been illegally applied of much greater psychological effect than was previously available on an immense scale, and there is clear evidence that you can't simply shrug off because it suits you.
Your attempt to be off hand about this is pathetic.

In that at least you are predictable, and means no matter how underhand justifies the end to a Brexiteer after all.

Nothing to see here move along?
That won't work, will it? only an idiot would fall for that.

 

[oldgroaner]

John Redwood tweeted this
Memo to Dominic Raab - There's plenty of channel & North Sea ports allowing easy passage of goods from the continent to the UK. The Dutch & Belgian ports would love to lift more of the Calais-Dover trade. Calais has made quite clear it wants to keep the trade. No need to worry.

I responded
Other ports are unable to provide the additonal berths to accomodate the heavier trade the would have to carry without huge levels of investment, this is absolute nonsense.

In the case of Hull there are particular problems with width of the lock gates in one instance and the shallow draft of the Rotterdam riverside berth which can only accept one ship per day!
Details on here
https://www.poferriesfreight.com/freight/content/pages/template/ports_and_routes_Hull_-_Rotterdam_Hull_-_Rotterdam.htm

Here we have yet another example of a Tory MP who hasn't even a remote idea of the reality of the Brexit stuation, you could recruit people from the nearest Bus Queue who are more capable than this utter shower of incompetent politicians.

 

[Woosh]

getting back to brexit, I really can't see how TM is going to get the deal through the HoC without upsetting the DUP.
The only way to get the brexiteers behind her plan is to promise them a Canada type deal and that means losing control in NI.
If she does that, Labour and the DUP are certain to vote against the plan.

 

[Danidl]

John Redwood tweeted this
Memo to Dominic Raab - There's plenty of channel & North Sea ports allowing easy passage of goods from the continent to the UK. The Dutch & Belgian ports would love to lift more of the Calais-Dover trade. Calais has made quite clear it wants to keep the trade. No need to worry.

I responded
Other ports are unable to provide the additonal berths to accomodate the heavier trade the would have to carry without huge levels of investment, this is absolute nonsense.

In the case of Hull there are particular problems with width of the lock gates in one instance and the shallow draft of the Rotterdam riverside berth which can only accept one ship per day!
Details on here
https://www.poferriesfreight.com/freight/content/pages/template/ports_and_routes_Hull_-_Rotterdam_Hull_-_Rotterdam.htm

Here we have yet another example of a Tory MP who hasn't even a remote idea of the reality of the Brexit stuation, you could recruit people from the nearest Bus Queue who are more capable than this utter shower of incompetent politicians.

To every complex problem, there is a simple solution.. however it is usually incorrect.

 

[Danidl]

getting back to brexit, I really can't see how TM is going to get the deal through the HoC without upsetting the DUP.
The only way to get the brexiteers behind her plan is to promise them a Canada type deal and that means losing control in NI.
If she does that, Labour and the DUP are certain to vote against the plan.

Yes that is so.
Did not Shakespeare get it right.. Oh what tangled web we weave then first we practice to decieve.
On a linked matter, and showing how different NI is from say Oxford, i was passing the PSNI police station on the Lisburn road south Belfast today.. For those of you who don't know, this area is comparable with Kew Gardens, or Chiswick,London. The police station looks more like a army post in the Green zone of Baghdad,than a suburban police station.

 

[oldtom]

Did not Shakespeare get it right.. Oh what tangled web we weave then first we practice to decieve.

Err…no! The words are from 'Marmion', not by Shakespeare but by Sir Walter Scott.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I'm not sure whether these reports are as a result of the 'Brexit' fiasco or simply symptomatic of the general malaise of the UK under tory rule:

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Either way, they don't bode well for a country whose government ministers believe is big enough to do well on its own outside of the EU.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

Err…no! The words are from 'Marmion', not by Shakespeare but by Sir Walter Scott.

Tom

Serves me right for straying outside my zone of competence.. ignorant engineer that i am.!.

 

[Woosh]

Oh what tangled web we weave then first we practice to decieve.

it's just the law of unintended consequences. Even the experts cannot be expected to know about all possible ramifications leave alone voters.
The problem is we should need at least another two years to explore the pros and cons of membership.

 

[oldtom]

We're staying out!……..or so says the 'Daily Mash':

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Tom

 

[flecc]

On a linked matter, and showing how different NI is from say Oxford, i was passing the PSNI police station on the Lisburn road south Belfast today.. For those of you who don't know, this area is comparable with Kew Gardens, or Chiswick,London. The police station looks more like a army post in the Green zone of Baghdad,than a suburban police station.

At least they have a police station. Here in Croydon, London's largest borough with almost 400,000 residents and larger than all but 11 of UK cities, cutbacks have left only one police station operational.

They've had to open a separate cells building elsewhere, a borough prison in all but name.
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[flecc]

it's just the law of unintended consequences. Even the experts cannot be expected to know about all possible ramifications leave alone voters.
The problem is we should need at least another two years to explore the pros and cons of membership.

Surely two days would be sufficient, maybe just two hours.

One only needs to look at the UK's performance and circumstances since WW2 to know that we have no chance of succeeding independently outside of the protections of and access to a large trading bloc.
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