Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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they are not beggars - they are referred.
Beggars are those who do not do any normal work, 6 of them sit in around Sainsbury's in London Road, Southend, within 100 yards of one another, 3 on each side of the road, asking if you have any change.
Then clearly you do not comprehend the meaning of poverty, do you?
Just have a stereotype notion provided by the Media of a class of Scroungers.
 
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Then clearly you do not comprehend the meaning of poverty, do you?
Just have a stereotype notion provided by the Media of a class of Scroungers.
I probably do - better than many on this forum, that's why I don't have any inhibition about food banks. I can cook decent meals for £1 a day per person. I was lucky, blessed with a good memory and mathematic ability at a young age.
 
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I probably do - better than many on this forum, that's why I don't have any inhibition about food banks. I was lucky, blessed with a good memory and mathematic ability at a young age.
I'm not sure I understand the connection between having a good memory and being good at arithmetic when justifying one's comprehension of poverty. I'm inclined to agree with OG's opinion of your perception of the state of being extremely poor. Have you ever had to spend much of your life beneath the poverty line?

Apart from that, not having any inhibitions about food banks is not the same thing as condemning the government that has overseen the biggest peacetime rise in charity for the poor ever known in the UK. All it needs now is the abolition of free cradle to grave medical care as we have known it since 1948 and the UK will have regressed back to the 1920s/30s.

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not sure I understand the connection between having a good memory and being good at arithmetic when justifying one's comprehension of poverty.
when your parents are poor, you have to help. I cooked meals. The way out is a scholarship. I got one.
 
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I probably do - better than many on this forum, that's why I don't have any inhibition about food banks. I can cook decent meals for £1 a day per person. I was lucky, blessed with a good memory and mathematic ability at a young age.
Ditto all counts. When I first ceased work I spent the first two years proving that one could live on the unemployment benefit of just £44.15 per week with the usual housing allowance and council tax support.

It was a thoroughly enjoyable two years, certainly not hardship.

Continental influences I suspect, French for you and Italian for me.
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EU grants can and do make a huge difference, as West Wales is now realising. Recipients of a generous annual grant which greatly improved their standards, they foolishly voted Leave. Now they are anxiously trying to find out if our government will make good the same huge amounts they got from the EU.
Several other regions of the UK are also desperately trying to understand how they will manage without guaranteed funding from either the EU or the government.

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Why on earth wasn't there a team put together with backgrounds similar to Hargreaves, even if only for the fools in government to consult with.
You may not agree with Hargreaves views on Brexit but his view of our government handling of it is correct.
 

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Several other regions of the UK are also desperately trying to understand how they will manage without guaranteed funding from either the EU or the government.

Tom
Are they??? Evidence please Tom. Yes there is a lot of BS being banded around but nobody actually knows how any of it will pan out. Serious case of project fear and crying wolf again from the chattering masses.
 
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oldtom

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Beggars are those who do not do any normal work, 6 of them sit in around Sainsbury's in London Road, Southend, within 10
Oh, how awful for you! One thing for certain is that Southend doesn't have a monopoly on street beggars - you can find them in almost every town and city across the UK.

Have you ever wondered how or why these people became reduced to such a state or is your mind closed to gaining such an understanding?

Tom
 
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oldtom

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I cooked meals.
If you were able to cook meals, you couldn't have been all that poor. I have known people without the means to cook and without the money to buy anything that might require cooking.

I'm not at all convinced that you really do have any grasp of what life is like for poor people in this second decade of the 21st century.

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I probably do - better than many on this forum, that's why I don't have any inhibition about food banks. I can cook decent meals for £1 a day per person. I was lucky, blessed with a good memory and mathematic ability at a young age.
Many of those in Poverty do not have the advantage of high levels of mental agility to help them cope with the situations they find themselves in, so frankly you cannot compare their survival capabilities with your own, and it's rather unsympathetic.
So you can cook decent meals for £1 a day? could you live like that on a permanent basis? or for that matter, why should anyone have to in this day and age?
Huge numbers of the elderly for instance give up and die every winter, from all sort of reasons but poverty is in there as one of the major ones.
They daren't even use the Gas or electric to cook these £1 meals you mention
 
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Many of those in Poverty do not have the advantage of high levels of mental agility to help them cope with the situations they find themselves in, so frankly you cannot compare their survival capabilities with your own, and it's rather unsympathetic.
that's why I consider myself lucky. However, you still have to want to better yourself, to make an early start and prepare to work your way out of a situation.
 
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Thank you Norman Tebbit!

Tom
I was certainly on my bike before and after school to earn a little money to help with the family budget.
 

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Interesting stance from Peter Hargreaves. Doubt he, ll be voting for Corbyn anytime soon.
By his own admission he is a successful con man who has nothing to lose and frankly clearly not a care in the world for the damage he is doing.

What does he mean by this?
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'I guarantee my entire wealth that we'd get free trade'

Is the man illiterate?
 
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oldgroaner

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that's why I consider myself lucky. However, you still have to want to better yourself, to make an early start and prepare to work your way out of a situation.
Clearly my message didn't get through, did it?
Society isn't full of "Go getter's"
There's an old saying that covers it rather well

"For every Schoolboy with the spark of genius
There are thousands with ignition trouble."

Which petty well explains the popularity of Brexit.....:)
 
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By his own admission he is a successful con man who has nothing to lose and frankly clearly not a care in the world for the damage he is doing.

What does he mean by this?
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'I guarantee my entire wealth that we'd get free trade'

Is the man illiterate?
Well at least you, ve read this one.
 
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oldgroaner

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Well at least you, ve read this one.
It is an odd thing to say though, isn't it?

And you didn't spot the Big Lie did you
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  • Hargreaves was Leave campaign's biggest backer, with £3.2m given to the cause
What happened to Aaron Banks gave £1m to Ukip and spent £7.5m on the Leave campaign.?

Ask yourself this
  1. Why would either man do this
  2. Where did the money originate? are we really expected to think it came out of their personal funds, when it could never create an immediate profit?
What odds would you place on either of these con men donating such huge sums for the benefit of the average person in the street?
Greater than a Million to one against would be my bet!
 
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