Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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he is a remainer and if past performance is a guide, he's about the best in Mrs May's cabinet.
Indeed, his "six years" is perhaps the most realistic thing a politician has said since the referendum.

By then the public will be so sick of the subject they probably won't care any more whether we leave or stay.
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Travel between EU and the UK should remains visa free after brexit so the situation is no different than now. I don't think a hard border is needed, even if Scotland chooses EU over UK.
 

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Not good, is it?
Agreed but they don't have yet July figures for High Street shopping, touristic activities, restaurants, hotels, B&Bs etc. they should show good growth because of the cheap Pound.
In general, inflation boots tax receipts immediately through VAT and duty.
 

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The same old evasion from May we got from the Previous Idiot.
Asked by a German Reporter why she appointed Boris Foreign Secretary, she reverted to type
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-foreign-secreatary-theresa-may-brexit-eu-referendum-german-journalist-a7148101.html
And that is pretty much what we can expect whenever she is asked any questions.
Male Bovine Excrement every time.
All you will ever get from this woman is evasion, and cheap jokes to divert attention.
 
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trex

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The picture on inbound Tourism isn't looking much better
http://press.travelzoo.com/european-tourists-to-the-uk-could-drop-by-a-third-following-brexit
So any temporary improvement may well be just that.
that blog was dated 01-June, based on the assumption that holidays here after brexit is more expensive than before, which is not yet the case at the moment. Brexit is more likely just us standing outside the door with a fig leaf to protect our pride, like flecc would have put it, then our prices would remain steady or lower.
Cheap Pound is usually good for our tourism industry.
 
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Indeed, his "six years" is perhaps the most realistic thing a politician has said since the referendum.

By then the public will be so sick of the subject they probably won't care any more whether we leave or stay.
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Six years may be the case, but I don't think it will go away. The referendum was a decade in the build up. There is long standing discontent with the EU (rightly or wrongly) and people aren't going to think, ok I've had my vote, I'll forget about it now.

If they try the wait and forget tactic it will come back, but next time with teeth and it will bite them hard.
 

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Six years may be the case, but I don't think it will go away. The referendum was a decade in the build up. There is long standing discontent with the EU (rightly or wrongly) and people aren't going to think, ok I've had my vote, I'll forget about it now.

If they try the wait and forget tactic it will come back, but next time with teeth and it will bite them hard.
I accept that is true for a large number, who like you, Flud and Brendan will not be easily dismissed. But a huge proportion of the voters on both sides were not so committed and voted on all manner of issues, many of them irrelevant and transient. I could see politicians being prepared to defy a committed minority, it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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In the final analysis it won't be the choice of the people that decided the issue, will it? But whichever faction has the most effective propaganda.

What isn't clear is the agenda of the elite, it's hard to see exactly what they stand to gain compared with what has been risked.
Or why what used to be a pretty well unified ruling group has divided into two opposing camps with completely opposed economic and political objectives.

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Six years may be the case, but I don't think it will go away. The referendum was a decade in the build up. There is long standing discontent with the EU (rightly or wrongly) and people aren't going to think, ok I've had my vote, I'll forget about it now.

If they try the wait and forget tactic it will come back, but next time with teeth and it will bite them hard.
You think the discontent built up, I think it was deliberately created for a reason and what is happening now is not due to any accident.
We are all being used whichever side we are on.

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The damage to the economy is not important compared to the rise of the far right politics.
Although I responded previously Trex to your sage remark in quotes, I have just read this from the BBC News website. It seems, not content with promoting a rabid lunatic for President, some Americans might be prepared to vote a former KKK leader into the Senate. The recent killings of several black people by police plus the revenge attack on police doesn't seem to have caused Americans to take a long hard look at their society and I really wonder how their black communities will view this latest news.

This serves again to illustrate the danger of allowing fascists and racists any kind of encouragement. All they need is a toehold and the nastiest, most evil and criminal elements of society will see that as acceptance and justification for all their vile hatred to be 'utilised' in pursuit of their psychopathic cause.

Farage and Johnson gave impetus to the despicable elements here, while Marine Penn and friends in France now seem embarked on emulating their disgusting, society-dividing work.

In the USA, Trump's success in the Presidential campaign has produced this committed racist, Duke, while other countries are experiencing something of a re-birth of fascism too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36870438

I seem to recall someone once reportedly said, 'Forgive them father for they know not what they do.' and I think that summarises how intelligent people of all nationalities and creeds view the present extreme right-wing risings around the western world.

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You think the discontent built up, I think it was deliberately created for a reason and what is happening now is not due to any accident.
We are all being used whichever side we are on.

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I can see where you're coming from (and think the Tories were trying to do some housecleaning with the public while labour was disunited), however in this case I think Hanlon's razor (i.e. if stupidity is an adequate explanation don't assume malice) may have trumped all else.
 

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You think the discontent built up, I think it was deliberately created for a reason and what is happening now is not due to any accident.
We are all being used whichever side we are on.

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I have this image in my mind of you venturing out of your house wrapped in tinfoil with a collider on your head, to protect yourself from the governments brain washing rays. :)

I'm sure you don't. Trilby, tweed jacket, preposterous moustache and a stout pair of brogues like the rest of us. :)
 
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Indeed, his "six years" is perhaps the most realistic thing a politician has said since the referendum.

By then the public will be so sick of the subject they probably won't care any more whether we leave or stay.
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Maybe in six years the EU will not exist in it's present form. The right wing Marine Le Pen is a big threat in France Italian banks are in a mess and lots of other problems are on the horizon. Not least the refugee crisis which may get a lot worse because of problems in Turkey. A lot can happen in six years and we could be looking at a totally different scenario
 
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trex

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Who is going to break it up?
the shared aims of its member countries will evolve over time, I expect treaty changes from time to time but not its dissolution. The natural geography favours its existence.
 
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Maybe in six years the EU will not exist in it's present form. The right wing Marine Le Pen is a big threat in France Italian banks are in a mess and lots of other problems are on the horizon. Not least the refugee crisis which may get a lot worse because of problems in Turkey. A lot can happen in six years and we could be looking at a totally different scenario
All of that is hypothetical, what isn't is the beginning of a UK recession due to brexit,as OG post above describe. That will cool minds in Europe and restrict thoughts about EU exit to a small minority of right-wing nutters
 

gray198

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All of that is hypothetical, what isn't is the beginning of a UK recession due to brexit,as OG post above describe. That will cool minds in Europe and restrict thoughts about EU exit to a small minority of right-wing nutters
Everything you have said is hypothetical and nothing has happened yet which was not expected. So why don't you stop talking the country down.From your previous posts I understand you have gone back to live in France and I wish you well. I am sure that under Hollande everything there is wonderful.
 
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