Yes, they were in power from 1997 until 2010 under the leadership of Tony B and later lead by the one eyed ares-hole.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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From the Independent
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A senior Conservative MP has hit out at Boris Johnson over his continued insistence that an extra £350m could be invested in the NHS after Brexit.
Sarah Wollaston, the chair of the House of Commons Health Committee, said the Foreign Secretary’s use of the false statistic was “a disgrace” and “a deliberate deception”.
An additional £350m of investment in health care once Britain leaves the EU was a key pledge of the Leave campaign during the 2016 referendum and was famously plastered on the side of a bus, which Mr Johnson posed in front of.
However, the figure has been consistently and comprehensively debunked.
Despite this, Mr Johnson has continued to use the statistic and claimed earlier this week that it was actually an underestimate. He told The Guardian: “There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control.”
Dr Wollaston, a former GP, said Mr Johnson “should stop using that figure”.
Boris obviously believes that the bigger the lie, the more people you can con with it!
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A senior Conservative MP has hit out at Boris Johnson over his continued insistence that an extra £350m could be invested in the NHS after Brexit.
Sarah Wollaston, the chair of the House of Commons Health Committee, said the Foreign Secretary’s use of the false statistic was “a disgrace” and “a deliberate deception”.
An additional £350m of investment in health care once Britain leaves the EU was a key pledge of the Leave campaign during the 2016 referendum and was famously plastered on the side of a bus, which Mr Johnson posed in front of.
However, the figure has been consistently and comprehensively debunked.
Despite this, Mr Johnson has continued to use the statistic and claimed earlier this week that it was actually an underestimate. He told The Guardian: “There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control.”
Dr Wollaston, a former GP, said Mr Johnson “should stop using that figure”.
Boris obviously believes that the bigger the lie, the more people you can con with it!
That was the Tory "B" team not Labour
Same Policies, different shirts.
But to be honest there isn't much to choose between them all where incompetence and corruption are concerned.
I think I might have stumbled upon a solution for the elderly care home crisis, or rather there is a solution in the making.
The roads around a school near to my house are choked with fat tyred four wheel drive cars, driven by fat women picking up their fat children. They are then driving the little fatties 2 miles to the next village. I can run that in under 15 minutes and I’m 55, so why the car ride?
Anyway, they are going to get type 2 diabetes and not live to see old age, thus easing pressure on the care home system. Every cloud......
The roads around a school near to my house are choked with fat tyred four wheel drive cars, driven by fat women picking up their fat children. They are then driving the little fatties 2 miles to the next village. I can run that in under 15 minutes and I’m 55, so why the car ride?
Anyway, they are going to get type 2 diabetes and not live to see old age, thus easing pressure on the care home system. Every cloud......
Similar here on the South London - Surrey border except the drive can be less than a mile, but perhaps due to greater health conciousness, the women and kids are quite skinny and healthy looking. Only a small proportion of kids or mums on my estate or the adjacent ones could be described as somewhat fat and none are obese.
So don't worry, we can repopulate your area.
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You are making a massive and wrong assumption. First of all there are lots of Asian/ Ethnic minority girls in care.
Secondly it wasn't only " vulnerable" girls chosen. We make assumptions like this to feel " it couldn't happen to my kids/ grand kids/ sisters etc. Wrong, it could. Authorities have been happy for it to seem this way to help keep the whole isdue quieter.
Girls ( any) were targeted outside normal secondary schools by young , attractive males. The men at this stage knew little of background of the children. One of young males would become boyfriend to one of girls. He would then take them along to meet older males who would start the abuse ( often telling girls their families would be hurt) It was not unknown for girls to be visited in middle of night by groups of males threatening the family. ( reports of this were often ignored by police)
All girls were and are vulnerable.
You have absolutely no idea why white girls were approached and iits wrong of you to assume you do.
My wife had thankless task of interviewing some of the girls post the issue being common knowledge. It made her ill. I,ll assure you many details have not come into public domain.
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2 points...
I did give the actual number of Asian / Pakistani girls in care, and its a tiny tiny % and I've worked in a number of schools in Oldham so I have direct experience of the differences in upbringing of working class white British and British Pakistani girls, so I'm not speaking from a position of theory alone.
You clearly don't understand that there is a definition used in child care of what constitutes a vulnerable child. So I assure you I'm correct in saying that all children are not classed as vulnerable.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmwelaf/576/57605.htm
There are likely to be many reasons why these men didn't choose children from their own social circle, and again... I'm not saying they weren't racist.
So can we agree that the criminals could well be racist its irrelevant to the point I'm making, so you don't need to keep going back to it.
My second point is the bit that you don't seem to be getting.
Its our judgement on them that can't be racist otherwise we're lowering ourselves to their level.
If we think the KKK is bad, because they judge all non white immigrants as below them, we equally can't judge all white Christians as being KKK members. Do you see what I mean?
The people are not in the KKK because they are white / christian, otherwise all white Christians would feel the same. They are in the KKK because they agree with its aims, and they just happen to be white.
They just happen to call themselves Christian, its a choice, you're not born believing in God. They have no choice about being white.
Just like the criminals in Rotherham, its not their race / religion that makes them child molesters - its their personal choice and their race / religion isn't relevant to that choice. Clearly proven by the fact that you get people who groom children in every society, race, religion, gender, age... etc etc.
Their race / religion isn't relevant to their crime, even though their crime might be racist. Do you see the difference?
Be careful with the jogging Tillson...turns out fit folk ( marathon runners/ cyclists) are upto 5 times more likely to develop AF... Wife hasn't exercised ...ever..I,ve worked hard keeping fit...occasional marathon ( before knee gave up) loads if cyclin, sailing and the like...Who gets AF...me.
Might have been better being a couch potato ..???
kidney failure, heart attack, eyes, toes ...
I am for sugar/fat tax as soon as possible.
Sorry to hear that, my son in law had the same problem and after some sort of shock treatment direct to the heart five years ago he seems OK, is it possible this could help you?
KTM
I couldn't care less about anybodies definition of vulnerable. First of all the girls" chosen" were not always seen as vulnerable on anybodies criteria, my point was, which you missed, ALL girls were vulnerable to be chosen...( the only criteria was, apparently, white)
Besides, how does being " vulnerable" by a social worker justify the behaviour anymore.
I worked in Sheffield / Rotherham education system for 30 years.
Its plain stupid to not accept there is a ethnic,religous or racial element within this abuse. Why say otherwise when its so blatant?
All men muslim.( apart from 1) 90% pakistani origin. Rest Albanian. ( one Seik..)
All girls white. Some on your vulnerable list. Some middle class / working families.
Its quite ridiculous to deny a racial ( or perhaps religious) aspect to the case ..
By all means have last word..I,m not commenting on subject anymore.
I couldn't care less about anybodies definition of vulnerable. First of all the girls" chosen" were not always seen as vulnerable on anybodies criteria, my point was, which you missed, ALL girls were vulnerable to be chosen...( the only criteria was, apparently, white)
Besides, how does being " vulnerable" by a social worker justify the behaviour anymore.
I worked in Sheffield / Rotherham education system for 30 years.
Its plain stupid to not accept there is a ethnic,religous or racial element within this abuse. Why say otherwise when its so blatant?
All men muslim.( apart from 1) 90% pakistani origin. Rest Albanian. ( one Seik..)
All girls white. Some on your vulnerable list. Some middle class / working families.
Its quite ridiculous to deny a racial ( or perhaps religious) aspect to the case ..
By all means have last word..I,m not commenting on subject anymore.
Yes, its planned for 4th March...Consultant thinks 50/50 chance. (of working, not surviving...I hope)
But thanks ...
( apologies OG about comment, I,d assumed message was from Tilson)
But you can come along and watch me bounce up and down in the theatre..
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I always dreamed of owning a castle on a crag and putting up lightning conductors during a storm..... "Throw the switch Igor!"
Do you think that will be powerful enough?
Seriously good luck to you with the treatment, and I'm sure I speak for everyone on here with that sentiment
Something is going to get you, may as well be something enjoyable. Two dead in their 50s at my running club, but several running very well at 60+, 70+ and one guy just turned 80 and still racing. You just can’t tell. If you’ve inherited a defect from your parents, there’s not much to be done, you’re going to go pop one day.
Might be all time I,ve spent under that bridge ?
I was only being contentious, dont stop doing owt...til you have to. I,m still sailing and cycling...and sleeping loads more.
And you are right. Last year I lost 2 good mates. One to heart attack ( at 57) and other in a paragliding accident.. He was 58...both really nice blokes with grandkids.
OG
Seriously , thanks.
Get the lightning conductor out, might need a whisky first.
My wife has had AF for years. It started suddenly whilst she was in hospital for a routine operation. It statrted immediately after she came round from the anaesthetic. It’s controlled with a very minute dose of beta-blockers, so the opinion is that it’s not worth the shock treatment therapy, even though that is very low risk.
When you get it and check its surprising how many folk actually get it. His Toniness had an ablation to cure it. ( if shock doesn't work thats next trick) Steve Redgrave had it too...think he had ablation.
I,m on a 4 medications to keep it under control...one being a blood thinner...which isn't very good with my history of accidents.( especially the one feeding a finger into a planer/ thicknesser) so I want off meds if poss...but no probs if I have to stay on them..
For sale.
12 inch 1.5 kw Planer / thicknesser.( perfect condition)
We seem to be straying away from the main point of this thread.... Brexit. So here's an example of how come its going to be good to leave. Ready?
OK. Here it is:
OK. Here it is:
Well done the EU, keeping the business in house, unlike the UK who have opted to lose almost everything to imports.
And that is inaccurate anyway, UK customers don't pay more after the tariffs, we pay the same, just denied the cheap imports that will weaken us all ultimately if we always go for cheap.
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