Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

That's a lot to take in one posting.
We don't know that the EU will let us use their standards

Of course you can use the standard. A standard is a standard. They may require you to have it qualified in a EU approved test house. Its just that you will have no input to any revision, won't be on any distribution lists for revisions, and the first you will know will be when an entire batch is sent back for not being painted purple, or having m3 sized mounting holes when the revision called for purple housings with M4. Lugs

 

[flecc]

Why. The Poles came to Ireland in 2002\.... Seeking legitimate work, and did it, got paid, helped build motorways and houses. They knew what they wanted . A chance to better themselves , and with an expectation of returning to and contributing to the development of their own country.
The mistake was short sightedness on behalf of certain Irish developers, who didn't bother to check on how immigration was working. They assumed, a mixture of avarice, and hope that they could sell more and more houses into a market which did not exist. The ride came to an end in 2007

I was posting about the benefit to the recipients, the Poles in this instance. What was done elsewhere with the benefit resulting from their work isn't relevant to the statement I was challenging.
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[Danidl]

Sorry,just heard a young Irish guy,good looking guy on Sky....I thought they said he was a possible but may have misheard and he may be your current one. He was certainly very concerned about current and future Irish trade,both now and post Brexit.
KudosDave

... But we are all young and good looking here, you need to be more specific!!!
And yes everyone here is concerned.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Of course you can use the standard. A standard is a standard. They may require you to have it qualified in a EU approved test house. Its just that you will have no input to any revision, won't be on any distribution lists for revisions, and the first you will know will be when an entire batch is sent back for not being painted purple, or having m3 sized mounting holes when the revision called for purple housings with M4. Lugs

Testing in a EU approved testing house,,,,,effectively that means TUV....some time ago I tried to put a product through TUV....do you know how expensive that is?
KudosDave

 

[PeterL]

Arrogant attitude you have there and you should beware of giving in to it, as any Tory politicians reacting like that in the near future after Brexit will cause serious unrest

Arrogant seems unfair but so be it. However, how would you respond to someone who seems to suggest that they can pick and choose which taxes they pay on the basis that they either agree or disagree with them? It's not the way it works - is it?

 

[PeterL]

I may have misunderstood your posting,are you suggesting that I have one pricing structure to Eire and another to the north,to compensate the retailer in the south?
KudosDave

Not at all.However, I now think that you are not talking about the here and now?

 

[PeterL]

The record shows that isn't true. Wherever money is given directly it encourages corruption and waste and fails to achieve a raising of the recipients living standards.

Africa, Greece et al are examples.

Better results came from allowing the Poles to come here and work for the money. That way the money goes to the deserving.
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You don't seem to have got past the first sentence?

 

[Danidl]

Testing in a EU approved testing house,,,,,effectively that means TUV....some time ago I tried to put a product through TUV....do you know how expensive that is?
KudosDave

Only slightly, I once tried to marshal a product through being., My point was that it makes it uneconomic...

 

[PeterL]

I don't think that remaining in the EU will be a wonderful place to be,it is clearly corrupt,what government isn't,it has some strange standards and is headed by some people I cannot stand.
But what I am absolutely certain is that leaving will make the UK poorer,both socially and economically,I can give you hundreds of examples that will adversely affect us if we leave the EU.
Just one example....one of my businesses sell air compressors made in China,similar to those sold widely in the UK. Ten years ago there were either no standards or 7 different standards throughout Europe,it was technically impossible for us to sell to each other,the no standard countries had safety problems connected with a 'life or death' part.
The EU has had a good team working on a safe standard throughout all 28 states,I have some experience of the old British standard,Fred Dibnah would recognise it,it is obsolete and only accepted in the UK. I can sell my compressors throughout Europe under the one standard,it's a very successful product at the moment,without a free trade deal and use of the EU standard I would not sell one of those units,the Italians are strong competitors.
Just one example of hundreds,which is why I am certain we would be much worse off if we Brexit,but so be it the 'will of the people' must be upheld.
Now tell me somewhere else I can sell my compressors?
KudosDave

If not compressors then something else I'm sure? You are obviously in a 'service and supply' business. You know how it works and being nimble with the ability to change quickly can only be a good thing. Much more likely post BREXIT?

 

[Kudoscycles]

An interesting poll today from YouGuv suggested that public opinion has changed regarding leaving the EU. Overal 42% now want to Leave and 47% want to stay.....for women only 40% want Leave and 49% want stay.
YouGuv called the last GE correctly.
Ok we all know how unreliable polls can be,but Labour have latched onto this poll as suggesting the public have reached the remain tipping point,Corbyn has now said he would vote remain in a second referendum unless the deal suggests we are staying in the single market.
This is important because it suggests that Corbyn is actively considering the possibility of a second referendum but also he feels emboldened to vote Remain....that is important because it sends out signals to his MP's that it is ok to vote against the upcoming repeal bill. It also puts more pressure on May that she doesn't want to move away from the mood of the people especially in her weak state letting Tory rebels vote with their conscience not the whips.
Which way she is going will be revealed who she sacks,Boris or Hammond,my money is Boris will be minister responsible for bog roll usage in St.Helena,hehe
KudosDave

 

[PeterL]

Only slightly, I once tried to marshal a product through being., My point was that it makes it uneconomic...

It is also a means of control?

 

[PeterL]

An interesting poll today from YouGuv suggested that public opinion has changed regarding leaving the EU. Overal 42% now want to Leave and 47% want to stay.....for women only 40% want Leave and 49% want stay.
YouGuv called the last GE correctly.
Ok we all know how unreliable polls can be,but Labour have latched onto this poll as suggesting the public have reached the remain tipping point,Corbyn has now said he would vote remain in a second referendum unless the deal suggests we are staying in the single market.
This is important because it suggests that Corbyn is actively considering the possibility of a second referendum but also he feels emboldened to vote Remain....that is important because it sends out signals to his MP's that it is ok to vote against the upcoming repeal bill. It also puts more pressure on May that she doesn't want to move away from the mood of the people especially in her weak state letting Tory rebels vote with their conscience not the whips.
Which way she is going will be revealed who she sacks,Boris or Hammond,my money is Boris will be minister responsible for bog roll usage in St.Helena,hehe
KudosDave

He JC sees an opportunity, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Only slightly, I once tried to marshal a product through being., My point was that it makes it uneconomic...

You are correct 20000 euros minimum and they make it as difficult as possible for a non German. I tried to put a special VW Golf brake calliper through TUV ,I gave up.
KudosDave

 

[flecc]

You don't seem to have got past the first sentence?

Your responses just get more weird. I quoted and responded to your fourth sentence, the truth of which I challenged.
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[oldgroaner]

Arrogant seems unfair but so be it. However, how would you respond to someone who seems to suggest that they can pick and choose which taxes they pay on the basis that they either agree or disagree with them? It's not the way it works - is it?

The arrogance was in the assumption of ownership of policies, these are supposed to be intended for all, and perhaps you need reminding that the rich actually do pck and choose which taxes they pay on that basis, and use influence to ensure not only is that the minimum possible, but defrayed against a plethora of fiddles and expenses, which even when they overstep the mark , they have cast iron guarantees of not facing any criminal actions against them that have any chance of being sucessful

I suggest to you that is the way it works for the rich, though certainly not the poor, and Tory policies are always canted to ensure that situation remains "Conserved"

 

[PeterL]

Your responses just get more weird. I quoted and responded to your fourth sentence, the truth of which I challenged.
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Weird?

I said:

Would have made much more sense to have simply given the monies involved directly to them in Poland, far better investment. One (way), I suggest, that would have been more likely to have (succeeded, had it) been made by a businessman (rather) than any politician, or banker come to that.

To pick and choose is surely more weird? I clearly suggested one way in which it would have been better directed? I might just have written it differently if done a second time but even so, clear enough.

 

[Zlatan]

An interesting poll today from YouGuv suggested that public opinion has changed regarding leaving the EU. Overal 42% now want to Leave and 47% want to stay.....for women only 40% want Leave and 49% want stay.
YouGuv called the last GE correctly.
Ok we all know how unreliable polls can be,but Labour have latched onto this poll as suggesting the public have reached the remain tipping point,Corbyn has now said he would vote remain in a second referendum unless the deal suggests we are staying in the single market.
This is important because it suggests that Corbyn is actively considering the possibility of a second referendum but also he feels emboldened to vote Remain....that is important because it sends out signals to his MP's that it is ok to vote against the upcoming repeal bill. It also puts more pressure on May that she doesn't want to move away from the mood of the people especially in her weak state letting Tory rebels vote with their conscience not the whips.
Which way she is going will be revealed who she sacks,Boris or Hammond,my money is Boris will be minister responsible for bog roll usage in St.Helena,hehe
KudosDave

Well I hope all you remainers have a good think before voting Corbyn in ( if he does do a U turn ) on back of staying in EU because I guarantee that bloke will bankrupt the country way quicker than leaving ever could. His policies are financial disaster.

 

[Danidl]

Well I hope all you remainers have a good think before voting Corbyn in on back of staying in EU because I guarantee that bloke will bankrupt the country way quicker than leaving ever could.

Is that a money back guarantee?

 

[PeterL]

The arrogance was in the assumption of ownership of policies, these are supposed to be intended for all, and perhaps you need reminding that the rich actually do pck and choose which taxes they pay on that basis, and use influence to ensure not only is that the minimum possible, but defrayed against a plethora of fiddles and expenses, which even when they overstep the mark , they have cast iron guarantees of not facing any criminal actions against them that have any chance of being sucessful

I suggest to you that is the way it works for the rich, though certainly not the poor, and Tory policies are always canted to ensure that situation remains "Conserved"

That is total nonsense and just an excuse for you to put forward same. Absolute ******* - excuse my French!

 

[Zlatan]

Is that a money back guarantee?

Afraid not, there won't be any money. Yes, we may end up with a more caring government but how many people would trust JC and Diane Abbot to run their business ? But they would agree to then running country...into the ground.