Brexit, for once some facts.

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Something to chew on... DT this morning

The mob tried to silence Jacob Rees-Mogg. But then he did something that stumped them

At first, the protesters must have thought it was going like clockwork. They’d managed to dodge past security, burst into the hall where the Tory scum were gathered, and brought their nasty little meeting to a standstill.

“TORIES OUT! TORIES OUT!” chanted the protesters, at the top of their lungs. “TORIES OUT! TORIES OUT!”

Conservative party members swung round in consternation, and stared helplessly at the intruders. No one seemed to know what to do.

The protesters chanted triumphantly on. The brass neck of these Tories – thinking they could swan into Manchester, socialist Manchester, and just sit there, bold as you like, slapping each other on the back over Brexit and austerity and killing the poor. Well, this would show them. The Tories had been comprehensively silenced. The protest was a total success.

Then, however, one of the protesters made a mistake. He ran towards Jacob Rees-Mogg.

“Shame on you, Jacob Rees-Mogg!” he bawled. “Tories out!”

The MP for North East Somerset looked up – and then did something the protester hadn’t bargained for.

He spoke to him.

“Hello,” said Mr Rees-Mogg pleasantly. “What would you like to ask me?”

For a moment the protester appeared utterly thrown. Far from looking frightened or angry, this hateful Tory toff was chatting to him as calmly as if they were standing in a queue at the Post Office.

The protester recovered his composure, and scowled. “You’re not welcome here!” he spat. “Get out!”

Mr Rees-Mogg tried again. “What do you disagree with me about?” he asked.

“Everything,” snorted the protester.

Mr Rees-Mogg nodded understandingly. He had the air of a doctor attempting to reassure a distressed patient. “Mention something specific,” he suggested.

“Abortion rights, women’s rights, austerity,” spluttered the protester. “Everything. You’re a despicable person.”

“Well, we may disagree on things,” said Mr Rees-Mogg equably, “but just because you disagree with somebody, that doesn’t make them a bad person. The two are separate.”

The protester goggled. Mr Rees-Mogg’s politeness seemed to infuriate him all the more.

“You’re ruining people’s lives!” he shouted.

“I don’t agree with that,” said Mr Rees-Mogg, with a frown of concern. “We have the lowest rate of unemployment since the 1970s. Employment historically has always been the best route out of poverty.”

The protester purpled. “That’s absolutely not true!” he spluttered. “That is a categorical lie! You’re a despicable person!”

“Let’s leave my despicability to one side,” said Mr Rees-Mogg soothingly. “What’s important is to have a conversation. [But] I think the audience want [the meeting] to continue.”

“I couldn’t care less! They all hold the same views [as you]!”

“Well,” said Mr Rees-Mogg gently. “Very nice to have met you.”

And with that, at long last, the man and his fellow protesters were led muttering from the hall. The audience rapturously applauded.

Seemingly oblivious, Mr Rees-Mogg turned, adjusted his tie, and resumed his seat, as if nothing had happened.

Have you seen the video of that chat? The protester didn't sputter, or shout or anything. He made some great points, which for some reason are missing from your post. I can't think why?

The protester actually said, quite eloquently, something along the lines of: (i'll find the video for you in a minute). How can you say some stuff about the growing need for food banks and the employment not being quality, or well paid.

I'll post details when I can find the video, but your transcript isn't accurate, so I'd be interested to know what your source was / is?

Here is the video so you can see what was actually said... notice the lack of spluttering.

To be fair I think both were calm and come out of debate well.

 

[PeterL]

I'll post details when I can find the video, but your transcript isn't accurate, so I'd be interested to know what your source was / is?

Today's Daily Telegraph (of course) but a far from tame reporter Michael Deacon. It wasn't offered as a transcript more a humorous sketch

To be fair I think both were calm and come out of debate well. Agreed

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Wow, so the Telegraph have altered the conversation to suit an agenda... and you think its humorous ?? How many people do you think will read it and not realise its not a true reflection of what was said?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Some I know via a friend, works in the NHS... this was their report from a meeting yesterday.

"I spent yesterday with 10 senior NHS managers and clinicians at an advisory board in London and I still can't process some of the things I was hearing esp around the workforce crisis. Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster for the NHS.
One medical director said they went to Europe to recruit for 2000 GPs as part of the overseas drs scheme ( with so many of their GPs set to retire and unable to recruit in U.K.) and only 138 / 2000 posts have been taken up. Many European doctors don't want to come and work in a hostile Brexit UK where their rights are so uncertain and with the pound so weak. The hole in general practice remains gaping.
One senior trust manager said they had to go to the Phillipines to recruit for nurses- offered 130 jobs and due to tight immigration only 8 have come over- not succeeding in meeting the scale of the problem.
All in all, the picture was beyond bleak and the NHS workforce crisis has undeniably deepened as a result of the referendum.

"

 

[PeterL]

Now who's jumping to conclusions? Anyone who reads the DT will be well aware of Michael Deacon. He writes a humorous (less) sketch every week day and they pull no punches and spare no one, usually Tory politicians.

Big problem on here is a total lack of any humour - it's good for people.

Apart from that you conveniently miss the point. How many people do you know that would have approached the situation of the protester in that way?

 

[PeterL]

Some I know via a friend, works in the NHS... this was their report from a meeting yesterday.

"I spent yesterday with 10 senior NHS managers and clinicians at an advisory board in London and I still can't process some of the things I was hearing esp around the workforce crisis. Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster for the NHS.
One medical director said they went to Europe to recruit for 2000 GPs as part of the overseas drs scheme ( with so many of their GPs set to retire and unable to recruit in U.K.) and only 138 / 2000 posts have been taken up. Many European doctors don't want to come and work in a hostile Brexit UK where their rights are so uncertain and with the pound so weak. The hole in general practice remains gaping.
One senior trust manager said they had to go to the Phillipines to recruit for nurses- offered 130 jobs and due to tight immigration only 8 have come over- not succeeding in meeting the scale of the problem.
All in all, the picture was beyond bleak and the NHS workforce crisis has undeniably deepened as a result of the referendum.

"

a friend of a friend conversation - must be totally unbiased and reliable then?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

a friend of a friend conversation - must be totally unbiased and reliable then?

Well can you find me a video proving me wrong? Or find anything to prove me wrong. Or maybe as I show'd yesterday, you might find that I do fact check things before I post them, unlike some

 

[PeterL]

Well can you find me a video proving me wrong? Or find anything to prove me wrong. Or maybe as I show'd yesterday, you might find that I do fact check things before I post them, unlike some

That's good to know

 

[oldtom]

In the words of Tony Benn, "Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=626242484247892

Tom

 

[Woosh]

the question has always been 'can you trust labour on the economy?'
The problem is that JC and John McDonnell have already promised too much to make their economic plan credible.

 

[PeterL]

In the words of Tony Benn, "Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=626242484247892

Tom

The same point was made very clearly in Manchester yesterday. Most of the 'children' who bought into the Labour promises weren't around a few years ago.

 

[PeterL]

In the words of Tony Benn, "Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat, and so a little bit of history may help"

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=626242484247892

Tom

That really was a very good speech, wish I'd been there at the time.

 

[oldgroaner]

Something to chew on... DT this morning

The mob tried to silence Jacob Rees-Mogg. But then he did something that stumped them

At first, the protesters must have thought it was going like clockwork. They’d managed to dodge past security, burst into the hall where the Tory scum were gathered, and brought their nasty little meeting to a standstill.

“TORIES OUT! TORIES OUT!” chanted the protesters, at the top of their lungs. “TORIES OUT! TORIES OUT!”

Conservative party members swung round in consternation, and stared helplessly at the intruders. No one seemed to know what to do.

The protesters chanted triumphantly on. The brass neck of these Tories – thinking they could swan into Manchester, socialist Manchester, and just sit there, bold as you like, slapping each other on the back over Brexit and austerity and killing the poor. Well, this would show them. The Tories had been comprehensively silenced. The protest was a total success.

Then, however, one of the protesters made a mistake. He ran towards Jacob Rees-Mogg.

“Shame on you, Jacob Rees-Mogg!” he bawled. “Tories out!”

The MP for North East Somerset looked up – and then did something the protester hadn’t bargained for.

He spoke to him.

“Hello,” said Mr Rees-Mogg pleasantly. “What would you like to ask me?”

For a moment the protester appeared utterly thrown. Far from looking frightened or angry, this hateful Tory toff was chatting to him as calmly as if they were standing in a queue at the Post Office.

The protester recovered his composure, and scowled. “You’re not welcome here!” he spat. “Get out!”

Mr Rees-Mogg tried again. “What do you disagree with me about?” he asked.

“Everything,” snorted the protester.

Mr Rees-Mogg nodded understandingly. He had the air of a doctor attempting to reassure a distressed patient. “Mention something specific,” he suggested.

“Abortion rights, women’s rights, austerity,” spluttered the protester. “Everything. You’re a despicable person.”

“Well, we may disagree on things,” said Mr Rees-Mogg equably, “but just because you disagree with somebody, that doesn’t make them a bad person. The two are separate.”

The protester goggled. Mr Rees-Mogg’s politeness seemed to infuriate him all the more.

“You’re ruining people’s lives!” he shouted.

“I don’t agree with that,” said Mr Rees-Mogg, with a frown of concern. “We have the lowest rate of unemployment since the 1970s. Employment historically has always been the best route out of poverty.”

The protester purpled. “That’s absolutely not true!” he spluttered. “That is a categorical lie! You’re a despicable person!”

“Let’s leave my despicability to one side,” said Mr Rees-Mogg soothingly. “What’s important is to have a conversation. [But] I think the audience want [the meeting] to continue.”

“I couldn’t care less! They all hold the same views [as you]!”

“Well,” said Mr Rees-Mogg gently. “Very nice to have met you.”

And with that, at long last, the man and his fellow protesters were led muttering from the hall. The audience rapturously applauded.

Seemingly oblivious, Mr Rees-Mogg turned, adjusted his tie, and resumed his seat, as if nothing had happened.

What a shame Rees mogg wasn't confronted by me, there would have been a very different outcome!

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[PeterL]

What a shame Rees mogg wasn't confronted by me, there would have been a very different outcome!

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I'm sure that there would have been...

I wonder if you would have been posting on here today?

 

[oldgroaner]

Now who's jumping to conclusions? Anyone who reads the DT will be well aware of Michael Deacon. He writes a humorous (less) sketch every week day and they pull no punches and spare no one, usually Tory politicians.

Big problem on here is a total lack of any humour - it's good for people.

Apart from that you conveniently miss the point. How many people do you know that would have approached the situation of the protester in that way?

If you haven't noticed that there is humour on this thread then you are hardly observant are you?
And did you really imagine that Rees Mogg would react as if he cared what other people think of him? he is far too insular for that.
He behaved like the wooden moron he really is.

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm sure that there would have been...

I wonder if you would have been posting on here today?

Do you imagine i haven't met many equally wooden individuals as Reese Mogg during my twenty odd years on the road dealing with Customer Complaints? he is just an extreme version of a Tory believer, but by no means talented or eloquent, just insular and smug as they come.
Not hard to outwit, as they are selling an inferior product.

I would have been polite about it, but though he would not have got the point the audience would.
Hes Just a legend in his own limited imagination.

And exactly what does this De Luxe idiot offer? Lowering Standards on health and safety to those in India, accepting Chlorine Washed Chicken, Foxhunting and admiration for Foodbanks because he is prepared to admit the State doesn't or can't run the country in a way where they disappear.
You would have to be stupid to find any of those things worthy of anything but contempt.

 

[oldgroaner]

The same point was made very clearly in Manchester yesterday. Most of the 'children' who bought into the Labour promises weren't around a few years ago.

And the ones who bought into the repeated packs of lies of the Tory party have learned and gained nothing from the experience have they?
What an achievement.
Crowning Glory of 74 Years of Tory rule amounts to what?
They lost control of the Country to Mob Rule through a Referendum that despite knowing it was advisory only, they hadn't the guts to refuse to implement.

And are trying to make out the policy they opposed was a great idea all along.
(but at the same time trying to reduce the damage it will cause from terminal to survivable)

What a Gutless shower they are! Hoisted with their own petard!
It Really is comical in a Horrific Slapstick Black Humour sort of way

And many of their followers will continue to be led by the nose by them

 

[flecc]

How many people do you know that would have approached the situation of the protester in that way?

Jacob Rees Mogg doesn't know any other way, he's a robot. I watched a program depicting him meeting constituents in one of his political surgeries.

For everyone it was the same monotone manner of reply, and what was most apparent was just how closed his mind is. He waits for the other person to speak but doesn't give any thought to what has been said. The response is always his preset opinion on the matter in question which he's obviously not prepared to change in the light of new information.

The result very often is that his apparent polite demeanour is really a form of extreme rudeness, showing no consideration for others.

Politics has another just like him, impeccably polite and indeed presenting himself with the most gentle of manner. He is the ruthless mass-murdering president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
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[oldtom]

I remember reading a description of Hitler's beliefs and foibles many years ago but I can't remember who wrote it. It was someone who had a unique proximity with the führer, perhaps his chauffeur, batman or personal bodyguard - I really can't remember.

Like the characteristics 'flecc' has noted in JRM and Assad, the recollections of Hitler by the author were quite extraordinary and didn't seem to fit with the general picture of the man we received from the government and the media.

Apparently, for example, Hitler was anti-hunting but most of his High Command all hunted and dinner conversations at the Berghof were frequently about hunting trips which eventually p'd off Hitler. It seems that he would listen intently as one or other of his guests described the stalking of a deer and how the kill was achieved. Hitler would then tease and seek to embarrass the storyteller by asking which weapon had been used and after the description, would then inquire as to the stag's choice of weapon.

By all accounts, Hitler was something of an animal lover. Shame he wasn't much of a people person!

Tom

 

[flecc]

Like the characteristics 'flecc' has noted in JRM and Assad, the recollections of Hitler by the author were quite extraordinary and didn't seem to fit with the general picture of the man we received from the government and the media.

Indeed there were many accounts of Hitler's kindness, charm and good manners.

Such characteristics may be evidence of good acting in such ultimately appalling individuals, but perhaps are more likely a balancing side in an individual's psyche as an internal protection against insanity.
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