Bike park wales extra £7 for e-bikes.

[Volusia25]

I read a few other forums with people saying this just isn't true, that they do less damage, this is why I question such blanket statements as seen in the video above as they usually come from the people who dislike E-Bikes.

Its impossible for them to cause less damage since their weight alone is at least double that of a normal MTB

 

[brightonebikes]

Problem is a lot of eMTBs have a switch for 'offroad only' use, illegal on the streets

Which ones are these? Can you post a link?

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[brightonebikes]

Its impossible for them to cause less damage since their weight alone is at least double that of a normal MTB

Not true, my eMTB is approx. 18Kg, A lower end dh bike would be very close to that. Factor in I'm sub 11 stone (except around Christmas!) and with a big guy on this dh bike there's little in it, perhaps him topping the scales over me...

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[brightonebikes]

Should we also consider fat bikes could cause additional erosion? Even 27.5+ set ups with low pressure tubeless set ups with a 19 stone guy? Where would one draw the line?
There's no doubt in my mind, that unless you're suckered by the hype, there's better places you ride anyway.
I think if somebody wants to check it out they'll pay £15 to take an e-bike, see they've been unnecessarily charged a premium and not return. Which in the long run may well be what BPW want?

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[LeighPing]

Why does the evidence need to be documented? It was probably witnessed on the trails. Many threads about people complaining that the ebikes mess up the trails so its fair enough.

They leave no more damage than a regular bike, even when the ground is boggy.

Generally both types of bike do very little damage when riding a trail.

 

[KirstinS]

The more likely reason is eMTB don't pay extra for lift passes.

Yep, that's my view as well. The stated reasons are big hairy ones

 

[mike killay]

Too much spin in their explanation, why don't they just say that they do not want ebikes?

 

[basicasic]

Its impossible for them to cause less damage since their weight alone is at least double that of a normal MTB

The weight of any bike is a fraction of the weight of the rider. So the weight of the rider is a much more important factor IF, as according to you, more weight = more damage.

So this park should weight the riders first as they enter and charge them according to weight if they want to be totally fair.

Of course it's all baloney. It's a good scam to rake in more money from people who they think can afford it. The only way these type of business people learn is by hitting them in the wallet. So don't go there. By not being fair to e-bikers they will lose out in the long run as e-bikes will become very common soon.

 

[Russelliow]

Its obvious, they are hiking prices now because they know in a few years no one will be using the uplift service.

 

[StewC]

Update from BPW

• We have decided to adjust the entrance fee for e-bikes from £15 to £12 with immediate effect. This is to reflect the fact this is not about profit but to ensure there is a differentiation between self-propelled riders and e-bikes for the reasons already indicated.

http://ebike-mtb.com/en/bikepark-wales-explains-price-hike-e-mtbs/

 

[soundwave]

it is still 8 quid if you have a disability mode so just turn up pissed

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Problem is a lot of eMTBs have a switch for 'offroad only' use, illegal on the streets

and illegal at Bike Park Wales too... in fact just as illegal offroad as they are onroad, the texture of the surface doesn't make a difference to legality in this case.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I read a few other forums with people saying this just isn't true, that they do less damage, this is why I question such blanket statements as seen in the video above as they usually come from the people who dislike E-Bikes.

eBikes = more riding, so of course more damage.

 

[Mal69]

eBikes = more riding, so of course more damage.

I do not buy that argument, what type of person buys an E-Bike, a person who needs a little assistance with cycling, I have nerve damage in my legs and hands, that's why I use an E-Bike now, I think you will do more or equal damage if you are a fitter person roaring down the hills on a normal bike.

Point is, this is about profit, not about facts, if a trail is going to be damaged it's likely to be damaged by both types of bike so charge the same for both types of bike, we already have a divide between bikers, this just deepens the divide and is unhealthy and shouldn't be encouraged.

 

[brightonebikes]

With increased contact patch, should riders with 4.6 wide fat tyres be charged at a premium rate? They are likely to be using twice the ground space of someone on regular 2.3 tyre throughout their ride, especially if running super low pressures
This is where it gets silly and a little pedantic, but it does kind of follow the explanation / justification, use of uplift service or not.

 

[flecc]

what type of person buys an E-Bike

Someone rich enough to pay at least twice as much to cycle.

That's obviously what's behind the thinking, e-bikers can afford more.
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[GLJoe]

I do not buy that argument, what type of person buys an E-Bike, a person who needs a little assistance with cycling, I have nerve damage in my legs and hands, that's why I use an E-Bike now, I think you will do more or equal damage if you are a fitter person roaring down the hills on a normal bike.

You and many others here seem to be missing the point and BPW's argument. Its not that ebikes do more damage per run down the trails, its that there are more runs per session - therefore more total damage. And they are correct.
And I don't buy your argument that the type of person buying an ebike is a person who 'needs a little assistance' because of some ailment. Not for the people hurtling down the technical sections of places like bike park wales anyway.

 

[mike killay]

But what sort of damage are we talking about?
So a corner needs some more earth, one shovel, five shovels.
I think that they are overstating the case to exploit ebikers

 

[LeighPing]

Trail damage. What a crock! Someone show me the damage that an ebike can do please!

 

[Volusia25]

You and many others here seem to be missing the point and BPW's argument. Its not that ebikes do more damage per run down the trails, its that there are more runs per session - therefore more total damage. And they are correct.
And I don't buy your argument that the type of person buying an ebike is a person who 'needs a little assistance' because of some ailment. Not for the people hurtling down the technical sections of places like bike park wales anyway.

This.
Come on its hardly expensive anyway, just another case of idiots moaning over nothing.