February 12, 201511 yr . Story here, quoting "according to a UK dealer", could almost have been written by KTM! .
February 12, 201511 yr Now where have I seen that before? Oh yes here - same website same author. Sloppy journalism!
February 12, 201511 yr Or a deliberate agenda maybe? . Surely not Tony....do you really think so:rolleyes:
February 12, 201511 yr I'm taking bets on how long two particular trade members take before they 'happen' to come upon upon this thread or that article & start commenting. ;)
February 12, 201511 yr I'm taking bets on how long two particular trade members take before they 'happen' to come upon upon this thread or that article & start commenting. ;) If Trex can resist mentioning Woosh on occasions I'm sure the other two can.
February 12, 201511 yr If Trex can resist mentioning Woosh on occasions I'm sure the other two can. Bet they can't!
February 12, 201511 yr Haha, trying to keep things balanced on this forum with regard to an understanding of the law is im afraid something we will never apologise for The constant misuse of the "off-road" terminology just shows that educationis needed for many on here. However hand on heart, we have nothing to do with this article at all. its coming from a shop not a brand.
February 12, 201511 yr Yet more scaremongering. Let's have some decided cases of 'huge compensation claims' falling to the dealer, or to the bloke who leant the ebike rider a pump to inflate his tyres. There are no such cases. And once again, the Bosch system is cited when a dongled Bosch bike is the least likely of all to land anyone in bother. Yet more arrogance as well from KTM/Col in this thread. We do not need educating. You cannot sell s-pedelecs, so are losing out. Happily, I believe most readers on here are brighter than you take them for and can see you are driven purely by commercial imperative. All you are doing is trying to flog KTM bikes, that's fine, but you should admit that and stop pretending otherwise.
February 12, 201511 yr Author Only half won. Not so sure, Martin did post a "Like" on my OP, so he has taken part! .
February 12, 201511 yr And once again, the Bosch system is cited when a dongled Bosch bike is the least likely of all to land anyone in bother. Yet more arrogance as well from KTM/Col in this thread. We do not need educating. You cannot sell s-pedelecs, so are losing out. Happily, I believe most readers on here are brighter than you take them for and can see you are driven purely by commercial imperative. All you are doing is trying to flog KTM bikes, that's fine, but you should admit that and stop pretending otherwise. 2 points. We can sell sPedelecs we make a number. We have chosen not to allow our UK dealers to sell them unless the customer can prove they have access to private land to use them. This is the sensible and morally right decision for my business I believe. And I'm afraid statements like this are very common on here. So I'm afraid my concern is not arrogance it's one based on reading lots of post on here that are simply wrong. Eg Exactly, please no comments about legalities!! we know that its illegal to take powerful builds on roads but still fun to build them and blast off road:)
February 12, 201511 yr Oh, and should probably add the dealer who is currently causing all his fuss isn't even a ktm dealer. It's the network of haibike dealers who are upset.
February 12, 201511 yr Not so sure, Martin did post a "Like" on my OP, so he has taken part! . If I can find the thread and specific post again, I'll post the link, but I did read a few weeks back on the German pedelec forum, that Bosch intended to clamp down on Bosch authorised dealers that are selling dongles, or more specifically, look closer at warranty claims made by those dealers that are known to be selling dongles. If Yamaha were to follow suit, then it would seem to be a very daft dealer that is happy to risk loosing a franchise and possibly a down turn in business, through biting the hand that feeds it, the bike manufacturer. It would be interesting to hear how Martin proposes to get around the issue of opening a warranty claim, in the possibly unlikely event of a motor failure. If it were me, I'd be starting to get a bit twitchy. Edited February 12, 201511 yr by EddiePJ
February 12, 201511 yr The article is most useful to those looking for a dongled bike. It lists 3 dealers at the moment, I am sure that there must be more. Hopefully the'll add more on the next article. Perhaps it could also list manufacturers of dongles as well.
February 13, 201511 yr I am glad this topic has resurfaced because being technically ignorant I have a question.... Whenever the D word is used the same members offer their words of wisdom politely pointing out the pitfalls and consequences of using these Speed enhancers, but I also see references to building bikes with 300 watt or bigger motors that are capable of achieving speeds well in excess of the 15.5 supposedly legal limit (some without even pedaling) and I find it strange that these aforementioned posters who are obviously abreast of current legislation don't offer any pearls of wisdom within these posts. So my question is.... Do the regs only apply to Bosch crank drive bikes fitted with a double?
February 13, 201511 yr Is that all of the commoners or just those that are Bosch owners... cos that's how it looks
February 13, 201511 yr Yes. That's the downside of owning a Bosch bike. You can't be caught for using a dongle or selling a bike with a dongle on a Chinese bike because they don't need one.
February 13, 201511 yr Is that all of the commoners or just those that are Bosch owners... cos that's how it looks The regs apply to all ebikes. To me there is a big difference between a Bosch bike with a dongle offering very limited assistance above the limit, and a Stealth Bomber which will do 50mph without pedalling. However, both bikes are equally illegal.
February 13, 201511 yr if you are a member of BEBA, it's your duty to educate the commoners. BEBA doesn't exist anymore....
February 13, 201511 yr BEBA doesn't exist anymore.... when? their website is still alive: http://www.beba.info/
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