Best bang for buck sub £1000 folding ebike with Throttle!

tapash

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Just visited Halfords to check their e foldings. Liked the way it looks. But unfortunately there's no throttle. Just wondering is it possible to add a throttle in this bike? What's the difficulty level? Please share your thoughts.
 
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you can't add much to ready built bikes.
 
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Just visited Halfords to check their e foldings. Liked the way it looks. But unfortunately there's no throttle. Just wondering is it possible to add a throttle in this bike? What's the difficulty level? Please share your thoughts.
The viking bike or if you get it from tesco its called the hopper shopper you can add a plug in throttle that costs £36
 
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Take the controller out of the housing under the frog battery, you will find a spare socket with three wires on the loom exiting the controller. This is the throttle connection. most throttles will plug in to this socket. Try http://www.pandabikes-shop.co.uk/ who post on here for a suitable throttle. 20 minute job and you can buy the hopper shopper/ viking for less than £500
 

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Thanks Scott!! How about this one? my wife liked the appearance & color of this one http://www.tesco.com/direct/hopper-urban-electric-bike-burgundy/730-7949.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=730-7949 over the shopper version.

is this modifiable?
That is the same as the Viking Harrier, different from the E Go. It has better spec and range and that is an outstanding price. Don't know about adding a throttle though. You mentioned the throttle for hills. Throttles by themselves will not get you up a hill. In fact over use of the throttle on hills without pedaling my harm your system. It is best to use your high assist level and pedal as well. This bike works very well, I think you think the throttle will do more than it can actually do.
 
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That is the same as the Viking Harrier, different from the E Go. It has better spec and range and that is an outstanding price. Don't know about adding a throttle though. You mentioned the throttle for hills. Throttles by themselves will not get you up a hill. In fact over use of the throttle on hills without pedaling my harm your system. It is best to use your high assist level and pedal as well. This bike works very well, I think you think the throttle will do more than it can actually do.
So do you mean if you let the motor do all the work you could infact damage the motor or even ruin it totaly? As for throttle I always thought that was more of a get me off the line quick gadget or help me start up a hill is my thinking correct on that?
 

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So do you mean if you let the motor do all the work you could infact damage the motor or even ruin it totaly? As for throttle I always thought that was more of a get me off the line quick gadget or help me start up a hill is my thinking correct on that?
A throttle is great for getting off of the line and approaching a hill indeed. But if the grade is too steep and/or the rider too heavy, the throttle simply will not pull you up the hill. Keeping the throttle wide open in a stall situation could cause damage to the controller more so than the motor. On flats and slight grades, you can run the throttle all of the time with no problems. Harder on the range though. The Harrier/Hopper is a 24 volt system and does not have the pulling power of a 36 volt system as well.
 

tapash

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Ok got it. I have another idea, what if I buy a good conversion kit for lightweight folding? Do you know few reliable places for 20inch conversion kit please?
 

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Most quality folders have prorietary parts to optimize their features, converting a 20" bike is mechanically more difficult than converting a 26" bike.
The best candidates for conversion are Dahon bikes. Most of them need a rear rack battery, very difficult to find a rack that looks good and holds a large battery at the same time.
Also, you don't save much weight against a ready built and you will likely exceed your £1000 budget.

d8veh's Dahon conversion:

 
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Most quality folders have prorietary parts to optimize their features, converting a 20" bike is mechanically more difficult than converting a 26" bike.
The best candidates for conversion are Dahon bikes. Most of them need a rear rack battery, very difficult to find a rack that looks good and holds a large battery at the same time.
Also, you don't save much weight against a ready built and you will likely exceed your £1000 budget.
By the time you buy a decent kit and more importantly a decent folder that will cover that kind of distance, you are over budget.
 
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Most quality folders have prorietary parts to optimize their features, converting a 20" bike is mechanically more difficult than converting a 26" bike.
The best candidates for conversion are Dahon bikes. Most of them need a rear rack battery, very difficult to find a rack that looks good and holds a large battery at the same time.
Also, you don't save much weight against a ready built and you will likely exceed your £1000 budget.

d8veh's Dahon conversion:
Usual folder is approx 12kg for 3-400, i.e. tern, and here i have found a 20" kit with rack battery. http://www.8funbike.com/detail.asp/sku=EK20F36R
Although it does not specify weight, I guess it would not exceed more than 7kg. so thats 19kg & around £7-800 with all features i want with 36v 10ah battery. What is your opinion?
 

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tapash

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that's a front hub kit, requiring 100mm dropout. Most quality front forks have 80-83mm drop out and tappered, you can't fit that front hub motors in them.
Post a picture of your folder then we'll help you.

http://www.ternbicycles.com/forum/converting-tern-d8-electric

I just found few of very light bike.
http://www.8funbike.com/detail.asp/sku=20AF09BL

http://www.tesco.com/direct/viking-apex-folding-bike-20-wheel-8-speed-lightweight-folder/564-6776.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=564-6776

http://www.tesco.com/direct/2013-kansi-3twenty-folding-bike-three-speed-greygrey/662-9808.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=662-9808

They are 11kg mark. Another option i was thinking is to get a mid drive motor and a rack battery for these bike, if the front motor is not suitable!! Do you think this bike is suitable for mid drive kits? Or viseversa?

Also do you know any rear drive kit for 20" bike?

I would prefer to fit a front drive for overall weight distribution with mounting a rack battery.
 
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If you can wait a few weeks until I've added a throttle to this you can have it for a couple of hundred. May keep her going while your looking for her proper one
 
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I just found few of very light bike.
http://www.8funbike.com/detail.asp/sku=20AF09BL

http://www.tesco.com/direct/viking-apex-folding-bike-20-wheel-8-speed-lightweight-folder/564-6776.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=564-6776

http://www.tesco.com/direct/2013-kansi-3twenty-folding-bike-three-speed-greygrey/662-9808.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=662-9808

They are 11kg mark. Another option i was thinking is to get a mid drive motor and a rack battery for these bike, if the front motor is not suitable!! Do you think this bike is suitable for mid drive kits? Or viseversa?

Also do you know any rear drive kit for 20" bike?

I would prefer to fit a front drive for overall weight distribution with mounting a rack battery.
they are Chinese bikes, wihout suspension. Just think of riding them over potholes.
To do the miles that you have in mind, 18 miles a day, 5000 miles a year, you need a bike as good as d8veh's Dahon Jetstream P8 that has trapezoid front suspension and air suspension at the rear.
The P8 weighs 13.5kgs. The kit will add about 6kgs.
The P8 costs about £725 new, £300 second hand if you can find it. Add £500 for a good kit, then you will have a good 20" e-folder.

http://dahon.com/mainnav/folding-bikes/single-view/bike/jetstream_p8-1.html
 
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tapash

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they are Chinese bikes, wihout suspension. Just think of riding them over potholes.
To do the miles that you have in mind, 18 miles a day, 5000 miles a year, you need a bike as good as d8veh's Dahon Jetstream P8 that has trapezoid front suspension and air suspension at the rear.
The P8 weighs 13.5kgs. The kit will add about 6kgs.
The P8 costs about £725 new, £300 second hand if you can find it. Add £500 for a good kit, then you will have a good 20" e-folder.

http://dahon.com/mainnav/folding-bikes/single-view/bike/jetstream_p8-1.html
Thanks. Dahon p8 seems a good option. Which kit you are talking that 6 kg one? Can you give a link please?

Just for my information, any of those I have selected, would it be possible to put a front motor on that?