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Risk burning your house down charging a damaged powerbank to save spending £8 on a replacement ? I can see the Daily Mail headline already
But it was a tenner! :D Well, the flashing LED lights stopped after 1 hour and 20 minutes on one of my two Denon amplifier grilles (I bi-amp, because my speakers can't breathe without 200W), therefore if nothing bursts into flames while it continues to become Death Valley cattle skull-like dry, I may declare it safe to throw away use/ throw away use. I haven't decided. There's no corrosion apart from at the USB ports, that I can see, but I can't see very far without breaking something or other, which is preventing me from seeing any further into the damned thing.
 
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I'm starting to get the feeling that the risk of fires from battery pack problems is getting exaggerated.

I mean, power banks have been around for years and I don't particularly recall a rash of fires (or indeed one single one).

I saw a clip of an increase in ebike battery fires in New York I think it was - yes the absolute number of fires had increased but there was no mention of how many more ebike (or scooters etc) there were.

And now we're starting to see stories of some landlords banning ebikes/scooters from their premises.
Before we know it, ebike batteries will be subject to strict regulation (EC standards and the rest) and it become an offence to make your own battery packs.

So before anyone posts alarmist views about these thinks, think on to where it might all lead.

I'm not saying hazards don't exist, of course they do, but a proper perspective is needed.

And do remember, (some) journalists rarely let truth get in the way of a 'good' story - click bait is the enemy!
 

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Perhaps when alternative sodium-ion batteries become widely available, the furore will intensify and we'll see EVs banned from car parks, battery stop and search, lithium-ion being enquired about in pubs as "Salmon"... it'll all go underground and we'll all be criminalised, that's if we survive being battered with telephone directories and thrown falling down stairs in Police stations.

I bet the EV industry can't wait for sodium-ion or some other safer battery technology - they'll force us to buy all over again, strongarmed by government to a deadline.
 
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I mean, power banks have been around for years and I don't particularly recall a rash of fires (or indeed one single one).
I'm amazed the "Waterproofing" for this power bank is composed of a tightly fitting indented edge all the way around - there's no glue. Whatever the circuit is, seems to communicate with flashing LEDs if there's a fault (short caused by moisture in this case perhaps), so maybe absence of such means it's safe to use? Recycle probably, I've recently discovered there's a lithium disposal facility four miles away, but whether they actually recycle lithium batteries I don't know.
 
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Top BMW Engineer Thinks Li-Ion Batteries Have "Peaked"
Solid-state batteries will likely be the next big thing.

Solid-state batteries are a long-promised but long-delayed technology that could bring significantly greater energy density to a smaller package than lithium-ion batteries

 

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Oh no, let's hope battery repair doesn't get banned...

New York City Bill to Ban Reuse of Lithium Ion Batteries Is ‘Absolutely Crazy,’ Right-to-Repair Advocates Warn

The bill is part of an attempt to curb the mysterious but dangerous rise in electric mobility device fires, but there’s little evidence repurposed batteries are the problem.

 

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they said that 10 years ago but when all cars are limited to 15 mph it wont matter anyway every batt will run out and loose its capacity over time and the manufacturers will make it impossible to use 3rd party ones and will make them so expensive after 5 years a new one would not be worth it or just not be made anymore.

it is all about profit and subscription fees and fully tracked and controlled so just get a horse but the vets fees are expensive so if you get 15-20k out of it just blow its head off with a shot gun and make some burgers ;)
 

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.......if there's a fault (short caused by moisture in this case perhaps), so maybe absence of such means it's safe to use? ..........
Just to say that water has, in electrical terms, a resistance, so technically water ingress won't cause a 'short' circuit.

I've no intention of putting this to a test, but I'd have thought that water across terminal that resulted in a high current would see that same high current quickly heat the water to steam thus eradicating the 'short' - just a theory...... :cool: .

The purer the water, the better its insulation properties. As a radar mainter of many years past, I remember one particular radar set where the 'final stage' magnetron, which ran at 100,000v, was cooled by pure water being pumped through the device itself.
 
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Just to say that water has, in electrical terms, a resistance, so technically water ingress won't cause a 'short' circuit.

I've no intention of putting this to a test, but I'd have thought that water across terminal that resulted in a high current would see that same high current quickly heat the water to steam thus eradicating the 'short' - just a theory...... :cool: .

The purer the water, the better its insulation properties. As a radar mainter of many years past, I remember one particular radar set where the 'final stage' magnetron, which ran at 100,000v, was cooled by pure water being pumped through the device itself.
Well, the LEDs stopped flashing for five minutes, off for five, on etc. after it dried out... so given that it was exposed for three weeks to rather a lot of rain water (lead? less so these days, carbon?) which isn't pure, and maybe mud, which may have been further contaminated by some ionic contaminant inside the power bank, could have caused a small current to flow somewhere between some component or other, or perhaps excess moisture affected the electrical properties of some component(s) leading to flashing LEDs? What's your theory? It was only a tenner, I doubt if this power bank contains a moisture sensor - I'll have to take the entire thing apart so we can find out what happened, which I'd rather not do, if it can yet safely be put to its original use of charging up my action camera, tablet, phone etc.
 
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Well, the LEDs stopped flashing for five minutes, off for five, on etc. after it dried out... so given that it was exposed for three weeks to rather a lot of rain water (lead? less so these days, carbon?) which isn't pure, and maybe mud, which may have been further contaminated by some ionic contaminant inside the power bank, could have caused a small current to flow somewhere between some component or other, or perhaps excess moisture affected the electrical properties of some component(s)? What's your theory? It was only a tenner, I doubt if this power bank contains a moisture sensor - I'll have to take the entire thing apart so we can find out what happened, which I'd rather not do, if it can yet safely be put to its original use of charging up my action camera, tablet, phone etc.
Once it's fully dried out I am sure it will be fine. They look like nice cells, would be a shame to throw them away.
 

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The purer the water, the better its insulation properties. As a radar mainter of many years past, I remember one particular radar set where the 'final stage' magnetron, which ran at 100,000v, was cooled by pure water being pumped through the device itself.
Wow. What the devil was that radar system? :oops:
 
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Once it's fully dried out I am sure it will be fine. They look like nice cells, would be a shame to throw them away.
Because I'm using Sennheiser HDR-130 RF headphones via the mixing console, the amp keeps automatically switching itself off every hour, hindering the slow drying process. I'll give it a thorough inspection in a few days and will probably just use it, with slight nervousness and initially at least, some caution.
 

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Once it's fully dried out I am sure it will be fine. They look like nice cells, would be a shame to throw them away.
you wont get 3 3000mah plus cells in a 10 quid power bank and i bet if you capacity test them wont even be 1000mah ;)
 
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you wont get 3 3000mah plus cells in a 10 quid power bank and i bet if you capacity test them wont even be 1000mah ;)
I think that famous high quality manufacturer of totally unfake capacity cells "Litokala" turned up in results, when I Googled "DBK INR2". And capacity seems to be much lower, than before it got rained on for three weeks (judging by it's charging of two action camera batteries and part charge of a tablet).
 
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you get what you pay for ;)

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