Battery life

[guerney]

@matthewslack got 1000Wh a day from his solar trailer (I think)... therefore 5 times as many panels as a roof on a Piaggio Ape conversion, plus a big battery and 3kw to 5kw motor:

3000W QS Mid-Drive PMSM Motor 138-A-70H With Controller ND72490 For Electric Vehicle - AliExpress 34

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...might give Lightyear's solar car a run for it's money, for much less money, even under gloomy UK skies?

Lightyear — Solar Electric Vehicle

Lightyear Zero is a Long-Range Solar Car Designed & Engineered by Lightyear in The Netherlands. Designed for Independence.

lightyear.one

(might need bigger than 5kw motor)

 

[soundwave]

https://eveurope.eu/en/product/me1616-pmac-engine-water-cooled-22-kwatt/

 

[guerney]

https://eveurope.eu/en/product/me1616-pmac-engine-water-cooled-22-kwatt/

22kw = 29.5 hp is almost three times this Ape's, should go like stabbed rat:

Piaggio Ape Auto DX Price in 2024 - Ape Auto DX Mileage, Loading Capacity

Piaggio Ape Auto DX price 2024 starts at ₹3.52 Lakh in New Delhi. View Ape Auto DX mileage, loading capacity, specs, number of Tyres & Read reviews on TrucksDekho.

trucks.cardekho.com

 

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AM Racing AMR 250-90 Single AC Motor - Liquid Cooled, Permanent Magnet - Remy Cartridge, EV West - Electric Vehicle Parts, Components, EVSE Charging Stations, Electric Car Conversion Kits

This EV Dragster Has An Incredible 4,000 kW Or 5,364 Horsepower

Australian company has developed a one megawatt electric motor and it's used for of them to power this all-electric dragster.

insideevs.com

we got the motors we not got the power

 

[guerney]

AM Racing AMR 250-90 Single AC Motor - Liquid Cooled, Permanent Magnet - Remy Cartridge, EV West - Electric Vehicle Parts, Components, EVSE Charging Stations, Electric Car Conversion Kits

This EV Dragster Has An Incredible 4,000 kW Or 5,364 Horsepower

Australian company has developed a one megawatt electric motor and it's used for of them to power this all-electric dragster.

insideevs.com

we got the motors we not got the power

Oh well, 3kw to 5kw will have to do then - that AliExpress motor ships with a controller.

 

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the batt will cost a fortune tho with decent cells and custom made.

 

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eBike Batteries

ebikebatteries.co.uk

ask jimmy how much it will cost and with warranty

 

[guerney]

the batt will cost a fortune tho with decent cells and custom made.

If 5500mah each, a 5kwh pack made with these would cost about £3,913, plus BMS, solder, labour etc.

PALO 3.2V 7200mAh 32700 LiFePO4 Rechargeable Battery 35A Continuous Discharge Maximum 55A High power battery+DIY Nickel sheets - AliExpress 44

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Wholesale prices might be lower?

A secondhand Ape can be about £3,934:

1995 Piaggio APE 50 in Portugal - For Sale | Car & Classi...

1995 Piaggio APE 50 in Portugal - For Sale | Car & Classic, €4,250 Piaggio APE 50 Year 1995 Vehicle in excellent condition The Price in E...

www.carandclassic.com

Motor and controller = £640.76

= a DIY EV for about £7,948? Plus labour, solar panels and associated parts, delivery taxes etc.

 

[guerney]

the batt will cost a fortune tho with decent cells and custom made.

I bet a lot of batteries in cheap Chinese EVs contain very indecent cells.

eBike Batteries

ebikebatteries.co.uk

ask jimmy how much it will cost and with warranty

I don't think we can afford Jimmy.

 

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but you have no idea if the cells are good or not or even fake reraps when you get this stuff from china you take a gamble it could be good or not only time will tell but as it is one of the most expensive parts there are more fakes than real ones.

 

[Nealh]

A small EV running on 48v, one would use those EVE LFP modules the 280ah ones would make a 14kwh battery for £2250 + bms or the 105ah for 5kwh /£950 +bms.

 

[guerney]

A small EV running on 48v, one would use those EVE LFP modules the 280ah ones would make a 14kwh battery for £2250 + bms or the 105ah for 5kwh /£950 +bms.

With 5kwh = £4,985 or with 14kwh = £6,285 + BMS + solar panels + all sorts of other things, for a Piaggio Ape conversion to EV, with solar panel support. It's easy to see how Citreon are making a profit with the AMI - I'd much rather attempt this EV conversion: not a closed system with product and service ecosystem, battery can be swapped with a larger one for very long journeys, camp while it solar charges to return home... If it was a bike, it could be sponsored by @Woosh and @Wisper Bikes ... ; sport billboard adverts and make recorded "Woosh" and "Wisper" sounds as it rolled along, voiced by a young Marlene Dietrich.

 

[guerney]

we got the motors we not got the power

We could power it like a Scalextric and break the land speed record, if it didn't lift-off/disintegrate first... which is likely, even with adaptive aero.

 

[matthewslack]

#294 sounds like my words from months ago.

Spam.