Aldi selling cheap camera with Sony sensor £49

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4k requires at least 8,294,400 pixels, the Sony IMX179 in this camera has 8,030,000... there would have to be some interpolation. I usually shoot in 1080p, otherwise the file sizes are unmanageable. Sony's sensors have good dynamic range, for cheap action camera sensors.

 
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Why should I buy an action camera? Peter
I record all my journeys for evidence in the event of a collision. I don't want some driver's insurance company chasing me through the courts unduly. It's interesting that Aldi's dash cam automatically locks files when it detects a collision - I wish action cameras did that. Sadly, dash cams are not wateproof.
 

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I've a GoPro, and very good they are too. Its an amazing bit of kit(these camera things in general) useful in a host of settings and not just the bike.

They have produced some incredible little movies on here. I particularly like the one with the badger in it.
 

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What I can't get my head around is why two videos I uploaded two weeks ago about a family of escooterists and a mad fat bloke on a bike got three times as many views, than my wrist-breaking badger collision video got in a year. Whether that's due to public interest or lack thereof in badgers, or Youtube algorithms pushing certain content at people more than others, I don't know.

My camera is a cheap and nasty £36 amazon purchase. It hates the night. Sometimes I wonder if I'm subconsciously putting myself at risk to record videos, seeking out incidents of note, but I don't think so.




Uploading a video where nothing happens, doesn't get pushed at people by Youtube at all

 
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I was persuaded :cool:, but the 'skinflint' side of me led me to order a secondhand Apeman A80 for just over £30 from CeX to test the waters, so to speak and that model seems to have a 'car' mode? Peter
 

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Action camera batteries don't seem to last very long - one of the two supplied with my cheap Crosstour 4k eventually puffed up, the other is on it's last legs. Mind you, I have been using them pretty much continuously for about a year and a half. Fortunately, compatibles are cheaply available for most action cameras, and with higher capacity.
 

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4k requires at least 8,294,400 pixels, the Sony IMX179 in this camera has 8,030,000... there would have to be some interpolation. I usually shoot in 1080p, otherwise the file sizes are unmanageable. Sony's sensors have good dynamic range, for cheap action camera sensors.

You need about 12MP for 4k video because sensors are normally sold in 4:3 aspect so to do 16:9 you need a larger sensor. Also the advert states Allwinner V3 which is a very humble chipset, I think there was the budget V3s that did 720p at 60fps and 1080p at 30fps but the full fat V3 does 1080p at 60fps and sub 4k at 30fps.

I think this camera is made to look more like a gopro both in the case design and menu's but is actually a low end action camera. I mean they state a 16MP image resolution with a 8MP sensor so its interpolation even for images. The 4K60 resolution is just image doubled and pointless or its an even lower resolution interpolated to 4K60.

To get gyro sensor video stabilisation you need a higher resolution than the end resolution so its pretty much impossible for this action camera to have video stabilisation.

However with a decent 8MP Sony sensor and the slightly better allwinner V3 chipset it could give decent video quality and you get a big package for your money but I would look to get a action camera with a 12MP sensor at least and a better chipset.

Now that I look at the advert again it has both Sony 179 and Sony 386 sensors listed for the same product so I guess its a lottery which one you get. The 386 sensor being actually 12MP not 8MP. If they can't get the sensor right maybe the chipset isn't either.

Very confusing. You don't normally see allwinner V3 action cameras with a fake 4k60 mode that is typically a allwinner V316 based action camera so it could be that chipset. That is a true 4k30 action camera but fake 4k60.

Personally I'd still avoid the action camera if no image stabilisation or maybe there is because it seems like Aldi are clueless at writing copy for this action camera.
 

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Very confusing. You don't normally see allwinner V3 action cameras with a fake 4k60 mode that is typically a allwinner V316 based action camera so it could be that chipset. That is a true 4k30 action camera but fake 4k60.
Who knows? Maybe they're overclocking. It's ARM based, so it's possible.

To get gyro sensor video stabilisation
Do you mean cropping using a gyro for movement information? I was under the impression the cheapos simply cropped and enlarged, using detected reference points in the video to stabilise, rather like PC/Mac software can do in post. Actually moving the sensor around is too much to ask for at this price.

You need about 12MP for 4k video because sensors are normally sold in 4:3 aspect
You're right, this one is, if it's the IMX179... unless they use a lens to deform the image to fill the sensor and then change aspect ratio in processing, which I don't imagine that camera is doing.


Personally I'd still avoid the action camera if no image stabilisation
In daylight, I find 1080p @60fps is good enough to capture number plates clearly, and that's from my less well equipt cheaper Crosstour 4k. Not pretty looking footage by any means, but useful. Night footage is abysmal, but they all stink at night.

Only one battery supplied, is a bit tight. I expect cheap compatibles are available. That pointless case doesn't make up for it.
 

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Who knows? Maybe they're overclocking. It's ARM based, so it's possible.



Do you mean cropping using a gyro for movement information? I was under the impression the cheapos simply cropped and enlarged, using detected reference points in the video to stabilise, rather like PC/Mac software can do in post. Actually moving the sensor around is too much to ask for at this price.



You're right, this one is, if it's the IMX179... unless they use a lens to deform the image to fill the sensor and then change aspect ratio in processing, which I don't imagine that camera is doing.




In daylight, I find 1080p @60fps is good enough to capture number plates clearly, and that's from my less well equipt cheaper Crosstour 4k. Not pretty looking footage by any means, but useful. Night footage is abysmal, but they all stink at night.

Only one battery supplied, is a bit tight. I expect cheap compatibles are available. That pointless case doesn't make up for it.
I don't think they typically overclock as its difficult to make additional cooling in an action camera and when they move to a new denser fabrication process that is normally a new design chip rather than an old chip with a better fabrication process, however I think I read in the past on a forum that some action cameras use cheaper slower memory and this can limit what features are implemented and also you can downclock for extra stability and improved battery life but again with reduced quality and functionality. It's possible some chips are graded lower and therefore kept to lower speeds than the chipset was designed to run at optimally. The Chinese retail market is extremely price sensitive and other there most products are designed to be low price but there are high quality Chinese manufacturers nowadays.

Yes when I said gyro sensor I meant gyro data used to re-position what image was used from the physical sensor rather than the sensor being on a CD lens type tray and being optically stabilisation. I don't think there is any small action cameras that have optical stabilisation .

So many action cameras sold are made by hdking and repackaged for different Chinese trade houses and importers around the world but the camera doesn't look like it has a front facing button next to the lense so not sure which model it is based on. A quick search online shows one of the Balco action cameras use the XDV pro app which is basically hdking's app so I wonder in typical Aldi style if they paid more money to get the camera to look like a gopro including outer case and menus despite being quite a low spec product inside.
 
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In daylight, I find 1080p @60fps is good enough to capture number plates clearly, a
It isn't. Sure, you might be able to catch the odd one when they pass slowly and close, but see how many you get on the cars coming towards you on the other side of the road. If you want numberplates, it has to be 4K.
 
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It isn't. Sure, you might be able to catch the odd one when they pass slowly and close, but see how many you get on the cars coming towards you on the other side of the road. If you want numberplates, it has to be 4K.
In bright light, it does a good job at capturing plates of cars going past quickly @1080p 60fps, but of course cars coming from the other direction on the other side of the road are passing faster (15.5mph plus about 30 or whatever) and are also at the edges of the cheap lens, which are usually sharper in the middle - I can still capture those plates if I export a frame when they're further away and enlarge, provided light is good and I have underexposed, as I usually do now (blown out highlights are impossible to enhance when there's low dynamic range, and my camera is high in low dynamic range). The plates of cars passing quickly and close on my side of the road are more legible when they are further away and in the sharper mid view of my cheap lens: export/snap a frame in (free) VLC video player, enlarge and enhance in (free) GIMP. It's easy to pause and advance frame by frame in VLC, to export the sharp ones. At 60 frames per second, there are usually several sharp plate views. With VLC, one can record the playing video and/or audio streams as a file - snip videos shorter, to preserve those treasured horrific memories.
 
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Yes when I said gyro sensor I meant gyro data used to re-position what image was used from the physical sensor rather than the sensor being on a CD lens type tray and being optically stabilisation. I don't think there is any small action cameras that have optical stabilisation .
They managed to fit a gimbal into a phone.

 

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In bright light, it does a good job at capturing plates of cars going past quickly @1080p 60fps, but of course cars coming from the other direction on the other side of the road are passing faster (15.5mph plus about 30 or whatever) and are also at the edges of the cheap lens, which are usually sharper in the middle - I can still capture those plates if I export a frame when they're further away and enlarge, provided light is good and I have underexposed, as I usually do now (blown out highlights are impossible to enhance when there's low dynamic range, and my camera is high in low dynamic range). The plates of cars passing quickly and close on my side of the road are more legible when they are further away and in the sharper mid view of my cheap lens: export/snap a frame in (free) VLC video player, enlarge and enhance in (free) GIMP. It's easy to pause and advance frame by frame in VLC, to export the sharp ones. At 60 frames per second, there are usually several sharp plate views. With VLC, one can record the playing video and/or audio streams as a file - snip videos shorter, to preserve those treasured horrific memories.
Does your camera have a rose tinted lens or is it your glasses?
 

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It isn't. Sure, you might be able to catch the odd one when they pass slowly and close, but see how many you get on the cars coming towards you on the other side of the road. If you want numberplates, it has to be 4K.
Actually, the video below was shot using a cheap and common 2 year old Crosstour 4K, only 1080p. No image stabilisation, 60FPS. The scaled up screenshot of the number plate is at the end. And this is (obviously) at night. It's much easier to record clear plates of faster moving vehicles during the day. I don't think that a fortune necessarily needs to be spent on action cameras for this sort of task.

I've had difficulties at 30FPS, because there are a lot of duff frames. 60FPS increases the likelihood of seeing clear plate... 4k 30FPS results in larger duff frames. A faster shutter speed would help, but my cheap camera doesn't allow user control of that. The 64GB SD card size limit is annoying, shooting 1080P 120FPS fills the card too fast. Aldi's cheap camera can use up to 128GB.

 
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They managed to fit a gimbal into a phone.

Wow, super impressive but I wonder how it compares to a full size gimbal. Sort of seems more like 2 axis optical stabilisation with digital image stabilisation added. To fit in a camera like that the mechanism most be extremely tiny and I guess a pretty small sensor physically to fit into that mechanism. Hopefully the technology will filter down to cheaper phones if its any good. So many sensors in phones nowadays. It's like my phone has 3 at the back and 1 at the front. It's clever how they can process images from all of the back sensors to create improved photos and videos computationally.

I can see some of this technology getting to action cameras but as its not such a big market for action cameras compared to mobile phones the prices probably won't be quite as competitive.