Agattu First Ride Report

[burncycle]

Is that what sort of range you would expect from a 18 tooth change in high power mode then?

 

[flecc]

Clearly it could be, though the terrain could make a difference.

Important to note that was done just to empty the battery quickly, it's completely unnecessary to use continuous full power mode, since that just wastes power at all times other than when climbing a steep hill.

It's impossible to forecast the results for any one rider from another's experience though, so much depending on rider power, the cadence they use, the speed they ride at, and the nature of the route.

With e-bikes more than anything else, only an individual's experience really counts.
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[prState]

Thanks for the report Paul. I agree completely about the handlebars and cannot understand those who put image before comfort. Straight bars are ergonomically wrong and always have been, and the Agattu's shaped bars, similar to the Lafree ones, are physically better for anything other than out and out speed cycling where dropped bars have an advantage..

I had guy who worked at a store assembling bikes tell me my Lafree handlebars were on backwards. That's cause I actually reversed or rotated (I forget which) them forward (readapting the control positions of course).

It only give a few centimeters more forward (not quite racing I guess, but maybe a little more under the wind) but it might be a possible mod for other crazy people like me who would bother to do this for their Agattu. (if it really is similar enough).

Also, if I keep this bike (and finally replace the battery) I think I'm switching from an 18" sprocket to a 16".

 

[stokepa31_mk2]

Clearly it could be, though the terrain could make a difference.

Important to note that was done just to empty the battery quickly, it's completely unnecessary to use continuous full power mode, since that just wastes power at all times other than when climbing a steep hill.

It's impossible to forecast the results for any one rider from another's experience though, so much depending on rider power, the cadence they use, the speed they ride at, and the nature of the route.

With e-bikes more than anything else, only an individual's experience really counts.
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Hi Tony

went out at 6am this morning on my 9 mile loop (you can tell i'm addicted) and the battery went for another 4 miles in medium mode. so that gives a usage like this

2 miles in medium
5.5 miles towing mostly medium but some high
9 miles all high
4 miles medium

20.5 miles total. to be honest im pretty pleased with that. like you say my normal usage pattern will not include much high power. I'll report back after the next charge which will be all on medium.

 

[burncycle]

Clearly it could be, though the terrain could make a difference.

Important to note that was done just to empty the battery quickly, it's completely unnecessary to use continuous full power mode, since that just wastes power at all times other than when climbing a steep hill.

It's impossible to forecast the results for any one rider from another's experience though, so much depending on rider power, the cadence they use, the speed they ride at, and the nature of the route.

With e-bikes more than anything else, only an individual's experience really counts.
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It may sound simple, but if the agattu does 26miles on high with a 22 tooth rear spocket.
You just do the maths.
Example......

26 / 22 teeth = 1.18181818182.

1.18181818182 x 18 teeth = 21.2727272727.

So modding to an 18 tooth changes the range to 21 miles (Average)
Is that mad or does that do it.

 

[JohnInStockie]

Unfortunately it sounds mad, I wish it was so simple (then we could calc it). Its all down to how much power the bike is using, and mostly that will always be down to the rider, the conditions, and the terrain.

E.g. a super-fit rider could get 100miles out of any ebikes battery, whereas someone very unfit and extremely overweight in a hilly area with a head wind in the rain with luggage would struggle to get the minimum range on any ebike on the market.

John

 

[burncycle]

Unfortunately it sounds mad, I wish it was so simple (then we could calc it). Its all down to how much power the bike is using, and mostly that will always be down to the rider, the conditions, and the terrain.

E.g. a super-fit rider could get 100miles out of any ebikes battery, whereas someone very unfit and extremely overweight in a hilly area with a head wind in the rain with luggage would struggle to get the minimum range on any ebike on the market.

John

Thought it sounded mad.
But without any viables it could be a guide at least.

 

[HarryB]

I can only give you a real world experience. With the 22 tooth the range was around 37 miles before cutting out (and making no effort so save power). As I am not going to take the battery to cut out I can only guestimate how far it will go now I have the 18 tooth, between 27 - 30 miles. It seems to go on for ages once the last light starts flashing so difficult to judge. All in all a lot better than the Torq.

 

[essexman]

re the valves DONT BUY NEW TUBES!

I went into my lbs to buy 4 new inner tubes. While moaning about the woods valves, they kindly told me that i didnt need new tubes i just needed an adaptor, which they sold to me for some pennies. My lbs is a hidden gem.

Its a little brass thing that screws on the woods valve and turns it into a presta valve. I just keep it permanently on my bike. I'd suggest 50 cycles buy a bulk load and ship the bikes with them.

I've tried browsing through my blog review of the Agattuto see if theres a piccie of it, but its so small you cant see it.

 

[stokepa31_mk2]

re the valves DONT BUY NEW TUBES!

I went into my lbs to buy 4 new inner tubes. While moaning about the woods valves, they kindly told me that i didnt need new tubes i just needed an adaptor, which they sold to me for some pennies. My lbs is a hidden gem.

Its a little brass thing that screws on the woods valve and turns it into a presta valve. I just keep it permanently on my bike. I'd suggest 50 cycles buy a bulk load and ship the bikes with them.

I've tried browsing through my blog review of the Agattuto see if theres a piccie of it, but its so small you cant see it.

Thanks for this Essexman. A little web research found this

 

[flecc]

It may sound simple, but if the agattu does 26miles on high with a 22 tooth rear spocket.
You just do the maths.
Example......

26 / 22 teeth = 1.18181818182.

1.18181818182 x 18 teeth = 21.2727272727.

So modding to an 18 tooth changes the range to 21 miles (Average)
Is that mad or does that do it.

Only the roughest of guides, since it omits all the variables I mentioned. These can double or halve a calculation in e-biking.

No other vehicle has this problem of course, the totally unknown human contribution, which can vary from extremes of 50 watts to 500 watts, or more commonly, 100 to 300 watts, leaving calculations almost worthless.
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[essexman]

Thanks for this Essexman. A little web research found this

See now if 50cycles had any brains they'd just supply every Kalkhoff with one of these. I know i phoned up 50cycles and asked how i to get air into the tyres. That had to get close to costing them 49p.-

 

[Tim]

See now if 50cycles had any brains they'd just supply every Kalkhoff with one of these. I know i phoned up 50cycles and asked how i to get air into the tyres. That had to get close to costing them 49p.-

Noted. I'll pass that on to the workshop.

Great blog by the way! I'll be in the market for a child seat bag combo for an Agattu in the not-too-distant - no need to look any further now.

 

[JohnInStockie]

Great blog by the way!

I'll second that!!

 

[essexman]

I'll second that!!

Cheers John and Tim Glad to be of service, and presumably congratulations to Tim as well!

 

[stokepa31_mk2]

Thanks for this Essexman. A little web research found this

Went through registration and got to the checkout to find a £4.99 delivery charge! erm.. i dont think so

 

[JamesC]

Went through registration and got to the checkout to find a £4.99 delivery charge! erm.. i dont think so

I think that they will offer to credit most of that back to you if you speak to them. Rare to buy such a low value item.

James

 

[stokepa31_mk2]

Just a range update from my run at medium power after having completed two conditioning charges. The bike (18 teeth remember) made it 27 miles before giving up. All on medium power setting on a mixed commute with nothing worse than 1 in 10 but some long uphill sections. Add in 20st of rider at I think thats a commendable performance. Just put the other battery on from my wife's bike which has also completed two conditioning charges and will post the result anon for consistency.

 

[Tim]

Testimonials

We've had a lot of positive reports from recent owners of Agattus and Pro Connects (and Tasmans of course), a few of which I've published on our website on this page - 'the best thing i have ever bought' says one new Pro Connect owner and that's high praise indeed.

If there are any more people loving their new Kalkhoff pedelec out there, drop us a line and we'll publish your comments, fully-attributed or entirely anonymous, it's up to you.

Cheers, Tim

 

[oldosc]

Looking at the woods..if the insert is taken(flies out overr you shoulder) out there looks like a thread in the barell, will this take a schroder insert ??