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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And just to put cat amongst pigeons. Its estimated Luxembourg cost the United States 95 billion dollars ( 2012) in lost corporation tax.Luxembourg charge 1% handling on cash flow through country, but in doing so save 16% in corporation tax (USA 35% Luxembourg 19 or 20%) How long will Trump put...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Does it really make any difference OG ?? Results speak volumes. How long has eu been operating ? How much redistribution of investment/ wealth has it created? What incentives are offered for major corporations to move to Greece ? Spain? Lithuania? And how many have moved to Luxembourg ? France ...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If eu had any real intentions of equal opportunities through eu investment would be pro rata per he's capita. Just look at projects, investments, large corporations throughout EU .. Luxembourg, France, Germany or Uk could not care less about equal distribution. Its all geared towards the more...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To look on eu as one country is quite ridiculous. Its a group of countries of vastly different wealths in a union, with each country looking to gain as much benefit as it can for itself. Look at Germany, Luxembourg France..and then compare ytthe investments made in Spain,Portugal, Lithuiania...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No flecc that's not answering it at all. Its your view of situation. The EU was never intended to become as one country, its developed that way. Itts arguing it should be because it is..self full filling.. I,m asking deeper than that..what are its benefits,risks and problems. The EU has simply...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We both know if anything was said approaching positive for brexit it would be ridiculed on here..but like wise why on earth is it ( or appears to be) etched in stone that free market is inextricably linked to free movement. Folk make out its the cornerstone of eu, civilisation and all that's...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And I suppose so as Lyons, Hargreaves and King. And what about Lord Mayors investigation or Capital report ? If we were judging folk on their failures there,d be no fecker in government. And because argument was expected makes it no less valid. Churchill made a fiasco at Galipoli, his opinion...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Totally agree Kudos,, I wonder how many are bending to public demand and noise. Time to forget it...or do it.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's a fair comment OG. Didn't realise you took that stance and I do agree with you...but I don't think staying or leaving will really change number of folk in poverty...thats another issue ,one which should be more of a priority than all this BS about in or out...( IMHO) Perhaps you ain't...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The really worrying scenario is we dont leave and we dont stay..ie a soft brexit. We should either forget about the whole thing, say the referendum was ,as KTM says ,advisory and play a full part in eu...or we must leave fully and get on with it..There really cant be half in...one or other. We...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG Google economists supporting brexit. You get a list of most prominent economists in Uk..But what do BBC report ? OECD and IMF...never a word about Minford, Lyons, Hargreaves...wonder why ??? The establishment didn't want rocking . BBC the most biased reporting network imaginable.( close...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But you cant see that Farage and his cronies are infact a distraction from what's happening. You,ve bought into the rhetoric used to try and discredit all aspects of Brexit. Read Capital Enquiry 2016. Lord Mayors Economic Review 2014. Minford ,s Report. Hargreaves Report. They are all...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The economists arguing for leave should have been used far more and Farage far less. Yes they got what they wanted , but look at the cost now, with leavers labelled racist, idiots, xenophobic.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Contrary to what we,ve been led to believe there were more major investigations saying brexit would be long term beneficial to UK than those saying otherwise. Osbourne chose to dismiss London Mayor Study. Capital Study and many others. The consencus was short term uncertainty, mid to long term...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Whatever his failures there is an obvious depth of knowledge unlikely to be found on here....You dismiss his thoughts to justify your own. Do you really think you know more about economics than he does ??? To be fair its a syndrome generally demonstrated by both sides of the argument but on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I suppose OG, Derf, Kudos and Tom will just dismiss Patrick Minford as an idiot, xenophobe, racist , mis informed, or plain barmy ?? Plenty of blinkers used on this thread.. Nigel
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Last two posts are beautifully written..dont agree with either really but next time I want to read eloquent prose I,ll re read them... Brilliant .. Nigel.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well said..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Admit what OG? That my real name isn't Zlatan Inspector Morse?? or that actually me and you are one person??"
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its reckoned for every 4 posters posting on any forum there are only 3 people, so one person in 4 is arguing with herself....( the rest with OG) So some are capable of starting arguments in empty houses...