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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    "Politicians who think they know about the situation and feel they have a solution have not started to even grasp the difficulty of the problem" Cant remember who said it or about what but the premise certainly applies to the Israel / Palestine issue. Since the Exodus of 1947 there simply can...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Fair comment and true but why do current labour think having extreme left in charge will pose a viable challenge when all we,ve known is far right. Surely a more moderate organisation would look more attractive, especially to a body of people who,s attitudes over years have drifted right. Its...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Great post Flecc. You should stand for election.( as was your later contribution)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Again I cant help but agree when compared to the corrupt govt we seem to have now. But surely why cant a reasonable policy for us all be championed by someone along lines of Makron in France? I suspect the reason for that is Blair ??? We seem to be offered either extreme of the political...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Fair enough Flecc, I dont see it quite like that but understand your reasoning. Without right wing press propoganda Corbyn ( IMHO) would be viewed ( by majority, not Corbyinites) in exactly same way. Perhaps Corbynites are equally indoctrinated. A few people I know have unswerving faith in his...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps Robdon could explain which part of above post is wrong. Its actually ( almost) factual. Do you disagree with my assessment of left wing in France or my anology between UK and France..? Or perhaps you are a Blairite ? Or did you ( as I suspect) read who had posted and hit disagree???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The process in France over last couple of years has demonstratedaccurately the place socialism has attained. A previously socialist MP who distanced himself from the mainstream socialist attitudes of Mitterrand and Hollande professing himself to be ( his description) a liberal centralist (...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Both those places are single party " democracies" consequent ly neither are democracies. And BTW China is only doing well financially not socially. A visit there proves the case especially when you consider hours worked, average wages and poverty. Examine the treatment of young females in china...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well yes Russia and Nazi Germany weren't really extremes of socialism at all , were they OG. But in a way I agree its probably time to let a totally untried form of government have a go....policies of raising corporattion tax, business tax, IHT, CG and income tax with the idea I giving it all...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, Russia showed the world how to govern fairly.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We should start a Boxster appreciation society ! Only thing is the damned thing is so good and now so cheap second hand it was one ( of many) factors that killed our kit / track car industry. ( except big players) I built my first Westfield 7 in 1987...at time you really could build a car...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post flecc.. I believe the Boxster was (is) manufactured at the old Saab plant in Finland. Boxster was gaining popularity as Saab declined. Work force expertise was realised by Porsche and used..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And probably longer...There is way too much encouragement for folk to borrow money, its put forward as the norm..even today it does not have to be. My kids seem only youngsters I know who,d rather drive about in a cheap car they own than an expensive one on credit. They are a minority...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It wasn't just the blame put on him for our part in the war it was his entire handling of situation from the start to the end. Initially he lied ( wmd) , supported Bush without question and I firmly believe was involved in a cover up around Dr Kelly. Ok, perhaps he didn't have him assassinated...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's much nearer to how I see it...either Tories making financial sacrifices or labour social ones. Neither seem capable at the moment. And quite possibly its Blairs fault..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No,the current labour party would bankrupt us in 12 months.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because the government aren't paying my rent, they are paying the tenants who would be receiving housing benefit even if not in a property I own, and if they moved I,d be able to charge a more realistic rent.( £500 for a 3 bed semi in a leafy suburb with front and rear garden and double garage...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, I see all that Flecc and obviously you could be right. I am very cynical about human nature and people vote very selfishly. If voters feel Tory policies benefit them.personally they will hold onto power. Its very difficult, almost contradictory for labour policies to be viewed as...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You might be right about Labour but not if they do not change policies and get rid of Corbyn. The whole voting public has changed, just read on here how many are actually landlords, how many have money invested. The entire demograph has shifted to the right,yes the extreme left are vocal but...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Best place ( IMO) is commercial lets with residential included. No stamp duty if under 150k which there now is on second property, no council tax if empty ( if you buy listed) and relatively higher returns. You can achieve 8% and its not long since 10 was easily attainable..but none are without...