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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Actually they are. Far more than EU..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-diversity-exits-the-eu-brussels/ EU doesnt have a diversity problem because it doesnt collect any data. Its just coincidence all its Officers are white male.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, well thats ok then. The EU's democratic deficit is somebody elses fault even though its producing a 42% turn out for EU elections. Lets just ignore it then untill turn out is under 30% or even becomes unneeded and pointless. And we, ll just carry on with white males only at EU.. And then...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I should hope you were happy but I notice you made the distinction. Why is that not the case at EU then flecc? You are simply pointing out an area where our democracy is more legitimate than that of the EU. Why are we not expecting similar on EU council, Comisioners.?? And, yes I, m happy any...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good answer. But firstly you are explaining why only 42% chose to vote, which may well be correct. The reason is irrelevant. Any system where only 42 % vote is flawed and produces a democratic deficit for the remaining 60%.."(ok 58%) That poor out turn should be a priority for EU to improve...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Totally agreed OG. Well said. We might be able to move on now. Ofcourse you called me a bigot. Which flecc seems to approve of, but since I, m pointing out a couple of obvious flaws with EU he would. And you didnt answer either points.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I said no such thing you idiot. You are assuming those of other backgrounds cant by wanting to maintain staus quo. And yet again just argue rather than give a specific answer about the 42% turn out. You are making the assumptions. You sound like South Africans supporting apartied 40 years ago...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats great as long as its your way around and that makes you the bigot. By your argument we, d still have colonialisation with all leaders white middle class males in power and rest doing all the work. Its just same OG and you are justifying it. And ofcourse fair people of any ethnic identity...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats why you said you, d voted lib dem. Or were going to. So yoy vote to remain if it comess from Labour.?? And I, m not playing any card. Simple fact is many millions are not represented in EU. That is not democracy. Fact. And all I, m doing is explaining, with justification, why I believe EU...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its only corny if you happen to be white, male, middle classs. Remainers have been well represented, just badly. There is a difference OG. And, all the other remainers could have followed your lead and voted LibDem. If I rember correctly you were the only one that did. Not enough remainers...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We wernt talking about ours. Its a fault of many indirect democracies. Ours included.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    [ Yes, there is a severe democratuc deficit. Many on here have often criticised the nature of our referendum. Citing advisory and fact that approaching 30% didnt vote and are probably not being represented in what was a direct democratic vote. Now imagine what those people would be saying had...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/09/brexit-eu-democratic-britain Even the Guardian accepts there is a democratic deficit within EU. Give up Danidl. Nobody is saying its all bad, or perhaps even worse than our own, but this insistance EU has perfect democracy negates any good...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46369046# ??? 105 million throughout Europe.. If you are white, midlle class male in EU all is fine.. Apparently. Can a racist organisation tackle the problem in link.. Or will it perpetuate under it.??? Time we all opened our eyes.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/racial-diversity-not-on-the-eus-radar/
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So blame anything but the EU.. Thats exactly why we will get nowhere. If its the case the system needs to change. The EU must take responsibility and get to a place where it is both an equal opportunity employer and government. It must also get to place where it has no democratic deficit. Or are...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, m not defending the indefensible OG. You are. Look, the EU at the moment has 23% females within its organisation.Fine, our HoC is around 28%..But the EU are asking top companies to lift that figure to 40% for board members. So they see the inequality but dont enforce it for their own...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats bonkers OG,and it isnt an anti EU fetish at all. Its reality. This is from the Guardian, the bastion of EU support. How on earth is that right for a modern forward thinking equal opportunities democratic government. It isnt, and you all know it. The day you accept these real faults might...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ofcourse it has. And why arent certain groups wanting to go. https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-blind-to-diversity-whiteout-european-parliament/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/29/eu-is-too-white-brexit-likely-to-make-it-worse And thats from the Guardian.!!!! Saying individual...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/summary/glossary/democratic_deficit.html Democratic deficit in EU is not a lie at all. Its a fact. Having democratic systems in place does not assure democracy. Read the article. (it is not biased one way or other) Can any system trully claim to be without democratic...