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Well he hasnt supplied a source, reference so looks like he did. How low can you get. Its despicable.

Could we have a source for this. Quoting things without one is pointless. You could have written it...

You want it both ways Flecc. The EU are powerful enough to succeed with all these "achievements" but not powerful enough to either reflect the public they represent or get turn outs over 42%. Seems to me, yet again, you claim all positive aspects for the EU and all negative ones to individual...

So exactly what purpose do they serve Flecc. By your definition the are impotent. (in its governmental sense) Sort of useless really then... Chocolate fireguards spring to mind.

I didnt need to alter that one. OG is coming to his senses...

I, ll take that as a compliment Woosh. I, d have to reluctantly agree Commisioners/EU council are on a par with our own Cabinet with reference to theoretical democratic legitimacy.. My grumble is the disaccociation and disconnect between population and EU government. To be fair I didnt pose the...

I think that is part of the disconnect associated with EU. Firstly the low turn out is bad enough but then the simple fact of numbers, logistics involved. If we really wanted rid of Tories we could actually do it... Had enough of you remainers voted according to each party's mandate... Lib dems...

I actually totally agree but having zero is "more" wrong. And I never said we should end up with an absolutely equal balance. I said the folk governing should reflect the ethnicities, race, colur and gender of those governed. To be fair our UK government is a world leader in this respect, yet I...

Flecc, I, m reposting your post. Hope you dont mind. If you said this previously I apologise. I missed your clear admission. Thanks. It carries far more weight coming from a remainer. And one question. Taking this response into account is it not enough in itself to justify voting to leave. In...

My solution is to leave. You want to stay so need to come up with a solution, which perhaps you should have before the refetendum. Its remainers who need to come up with an answer. Not leavers. Like OG would quickly tell me, its none of my business if we leave. And, I trully think had EU had any...

Because 60 % of EU didnt vote in first place, demonstrating a complete disconnect between EU population and its Government.

Fair points. What turn out for EU elections would be acceptable for you kiwi? How would you achieve them? The EU has a population of around 500 million. Within that it is estimated there are 100 million people of non white descent. (Asians, Indians, African descent etc etc) What %age of EU...

https://www.politico.eu/article/black-mps-back-italian-mep-in-racism-row-cecile-kyenge/ This is the world for the few black MEPs. To sum up an Italian MP referred to her as an orangutan. (in a poster) She retorted he was a racist. He then filed for deformation saying she had brought his party...

It did for a short while couple of weeks ago.. I, m not responding to OG anymore, its utterly pointless. He misses the points, argues about issues not raised... But no doubt thinks same of me..

Thanks Fingers. Its incredible that some on here label me a bigot for making points I have. Its the opppsite of bigotry.. Dont get how anybody can not see fault in a democratic system which operates at 42% turnout (One country was 16%) and then elects/appoints people from a single Ethnic...

It was just an example. There are plenty of others I agree. I applaud your previous post, thanks. It does accept there is an issue. However, I must point out, Frrnch MEPs though they do represent a wider ethnic pattern than most others. (still well behind UK) there is quite a pattern emerging...

No there are not. Its exactly why EU is not working. You and fan boys on here are blind. You refuse to see any fault just as EU does. So status quo remains. The white males of EU such as Junker just carry on. You call EU democratic with a turnout of 42% overall. (,as low as 16% in some regions)...

No you flecc and AK have. AK If MEPs were distributed to same ratio as Politico there would be 350 female MEPs and 50 Asian ones.

The issue isnt just about colour. That group has 6 females, and looks to represent a far wider cross section than EU. Besides another wrong only goes to prove the point . The EU should lead by example. And I should have a good look at the group of journalists. Its obviously not an EU council...

My only point in this is EU has problems around quite serious issues. Diversity, equal opportunities, race and democratic legitamacy. Its quite blatant yet supporters on here, and ib general, fail to see any of these faults. Yes, no systen is perfect, but to just ignore such obvious failings is...