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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well I, m glad you know... Was it Churchill who said "Democracy is tyranny by the uninformed"? You could be right but without America its fairly certain we, d be speaking German and Royal Family would be Gotha Coburgs again. Or Russian.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If we did so do you think terrorist attacks would subside or increase? Its quite easy for us all to be anti American and see them as aggressors but in many ways we have their presence and power to thank for the freedom we do enjoy in west. Its a serious question. Are America, and ourselves...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They arent alone there though flecc. Problems around Indochina were effectively set on road to war by the French, when they marched back into Vietnam as Japanese were kicked out. At that time Vietnamese wanted to model their democracy on Americas. French went to great lengths to dispell that and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do agree but the difference being in the UK cases the offenders behaved in isolation with little or no authority back up. The Bonnie and Clyde was with instructions from the very top. (as was this attack on Soleimani) Either way, after speaking with many Americans, I do think there is a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, d guess on its way home?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do think Americans have a different view on Human Rights to most others. Yes, they have an extremely strong stance on protecting Huaman Rights and covering requirements to be seen to be in agreement with them but if people are seen to transgress those rules they see any actions in dealing them...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If I was organising atracks on American soldiers (and civilians) I, d expect a drone to be loitering above Rotherham and deservedly so. Live by the sword and all that.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I dont think he was on his holidays OG. He was aledgedly organising attacks. I dont think his killing has helped but think its got to be accepted he was involved with state orchestrated terrorism,which it seems international law has little affect on. Gadaffi was behind Lockerbie bombing in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, all agreed. The Arlene Foster sounds plausible. What about Gadaffi and Lockerbie? How did international law /community deal with that?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I actually agree with a lot of this too. Not the bit about impeachmwnt. He couldnt care less about that. Was a stupid action anyway and wont get past house of Senates (doninated by republicans)(digging dirt on political opponents is normal nowadays, isnt it?) But, this is why I, m in such a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post flecc. I wonder if its because its Trump gave go ahead. Obama signed off on many killings as did both Bush Junior and Senior.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I dont think that is quite true OG. If Trump sent drones to everyone who he, d argued with or been insulted by skies would be full of them. Trump merely gave go ahead on on an obviously preaaranged military operation. I cant see US military actually responding to a Trump request over a twitter...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Is that called appeasement Danidl? We all know argument against that. And in mean time Embassies carry on being attacked and people killed? Dont get me wrong Danidl, I, m not actually saying you are wrong, but there are consequences to both lines of action(inaction?). We always consider...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Trouble there is merit in both your's and Flecc's arguments. I have no doubt Soleimani has been responsible for far more deaths than Trump has been and is a legitimate target but it must also be recognised killing him is an escalation and likely to cause more of what the killing purported in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, m hoping Starmer who seems to be saying right things (IMHO). He will moderate party but will face opposition from McCluskey (who was against Starmer's Remain stance) and from Corbyn's supporters. (they see him as like and supporting Blair) But being favourite normally writes chances off...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It seems our military has already swung into action without Boris in country. A Type 23 Frigate, Type 45 Destroyer and a Nuclear powered Sub are already within striking distance of Iran. Thats roughly a thousand Tomahawk missiles... Just from UK. SAS and SBS taken off training and tasked with...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Which it will. Could dwarf Brexit. Why we are involved I have no idea. But wouldnt be a PM for a gold pig. If we stand and do norhing it seens wrong but going in and assasinating a foreign leader (albeit one involved in terrorism) also seems wrong. Is world a safer place today than last week. I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My excuse, I must be mad aswell. Same here. Apologies. I, m going to ween myself away. Its not healthy or productive.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That was not a personal attack OG. Very slight exageration perhaps but nearer truth than not. You have made the same points (perhaps 3 of them) thousands of times, unfortunately to almost identical audience as 3 years ago.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Remembrance days are once a year. OG has made this point 17000 times in 3 years. Dont encourage him Danidl. Its an obsession with him.