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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Is there a connection? Hope not..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Media for a long while has been pro labour. Watch BBC, read Guardian. Usual culprits promote Tories but only you read Daily Mail to quote on here.. You advertise Tories more than anyone else.. And push people to them with your offensive attitude
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And for some odd reason you seem to think calling the electorate stupid is going to help? All you are doing is polarising opinion and unfortunately for you, JA and Labour setting people against the very principles, policies and people you value. I kerp telling you, it's exactly why Labour are in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    With OG and JA administering no thanks, I, ll suffer... I don't think that concept will ever get labour in power.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sort of agree, but getting there is another story. Needs a complete change in attitude. Was once on a skiing holiday in France, got to know a bloke from NZ. End of holiday we are all sat on bus waiting to leave, he jumped up said he was staying. Raced off bus, got his stuff and told driver...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In aftermath of election it was decided (by Labour, quoted in Guardian) that Corbyn was main reason they lost. Along with their hastily decided free"beer"policy. Starmer is a step in right direction. Totally agree with Woosh about income tax tho.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's always nice when people modify their stance and realise just how silly they are behaving. I, ll congratulate you when you manage it.. Keep trying OG. And, by the way. Labour tried the free beer at last election. Free care for elderly, free rail, no tuition fees and massive payments for...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That attitude really is the problem OG. Labour leaders demonstrate it. Its not their party out of step, it's the stupid voters. It's actually quite bigoted. Whilst ever it is prevalent Labour will not succeed. All those stupid people you lump me in with are running businesses, teaching...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But none of that gets labour in no 10..the stocks and shares example was an analogy... Times have changed, home owners, mortgages, land Lords, 2nd home owners home and abroad. The radical left vote base has gone. We no longer have thousands, actually millions, being exploited in pits, in steel...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, he isn't, I agree. It's the entire movement. Blairites, Unite, Starmer, Corbynistas, Momentum... All pulling all over place. They have lost identity... and in mean time Tories flow into the remaining vacuum. Your explanation simply points out Tory flaws not Labour credits to get back in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It was intended.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OK OG carry on been vindictive breeding resentment and blaming voters. End of day only person getting upset about it is you. Just let us all know when there is actually an alternative in mean time rest of us will just make best of what we, ve got. Oh, and by the way. Tories are even more...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Hang on OG... Just stop and try and guess exactly where we would be had Tories lost. We would certainly still left EU, Corbyn was most anti EU party leader we have ever had. He tried to hide it but come vote time he never once supported any EU votes. Just where would we have actually been with...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, but French don't count.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Think he, s doing a marvelous job of drumming up support for opposing views.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nah, was a picture of Thatcher,Jonathon's mum put it in his room as punishment and to ween him off adolescent habits. Hope it worked.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I see now, but to be honest it makes even less sense. Did you use Google translate to write it. That often throws odd meaningless word combinations up from apparently sensible structure.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You are rambling again. Think you mean "were yammering on" And there are no racists on here. Anti French/EU doesn't make anyone racist. Anti French is just common sense.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well what do you want then?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You are right they are not but you must keep fighting battle whilst learning new stratagies and developing new weapons. Would you prefer they just stop all vaccines whilst we search for a perfect one? They have all been associated with various problems. We have to fight pandemic with best we...