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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sort of agree but think this is rather different. Making poor folk poorer actually has little affect but when those sanctions take away luxury yachts, vast fortunes and luxurious lifestyles I suspect it might have more effect. Abromovich is panicking already.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, what do you do when Mafia have nuclear arms.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, m beginning to come over to your way of thinking Flecc. Let Putin have east of country, get folk out, stop the murder and give time for sanctions to bring Putin to negotiate. Germany is getting a lot of criticism, they know exactly what's happening yet have let themselves become dependant on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Seems we, ve known for years how Russia operates and their aims. Why haven't we done anything before??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, agreed. Think things are going to change though.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's bad tho Flecc. We all make mistakes but that's why media outlets have editorial teams. Or we assume they do. On the troop numbers... Nato can't and never could keep a standing army big enough to deal with invasion. It's a trip wire, with latest technology available. (in theory).. Would slow...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just seen this, from Daily Mail. Spot the deliberate mistake. I, m not an expert with Geography but even I know where Hungary is. Wasn't sure about Slovakia... So checked. I hope this map was made by DM and not supplied by NATO. Troops will be in wrong country. The country marked Slovakia is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956 As the world really changed. This was 65 years ago.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I suspect Ukrainians might have some other ideas about how to deal with massed ranks of tanks all in a row. The panzerfaust has developed more than the tank. Give them time. With advent of Starstreak and NLAW the balance of power has shifted... Ukrainians have thousands of both. Do Russians have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I really do hope you are right Flecc.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ve been saying that all along. Unfortunately giving in to him prolongs his blackmail and makes him stronger. Don't get me wrong, I don't have an answer. But giving in to him isn't one. Personally think it's time to allow Ukraine in EU and NATO and bite the bullet. Kick him out of Ukraine. To...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Lots of ifs and buts before we reach a partitioned Ukraine. Its nice you accepted that partition on their behalf. I think its their decision. Not yours, not mine, and certainly not Putin's. There is a system to find out what a country wants. Its called democracy Woosh. Ukraine has it. Russia...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I understand that view and in many ways its sensible.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What is happening in Ukraine Woosh? That dust might not be radioactive but its in the lungs of people who were free last week. WW1 started in Sarajevo with a single death. Putin has taken the first step in WW3. What happens when Putin takes Ukraine? We just forget about it.?? What happens if he...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think your comments about heroes and Ukrainians being stupid for defending their freedoms tainted your comments. We should have stood up to Putin years ago. Salisbury, Crimea, Georgia, Livchenko were all episodes that should have caused reactions by West we, ve recently seen. People are dying...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Seems we are going to stand by and observe Ukrainians killed in their thousands because we daren't, in fear of WW3, defend them. We could. Perhaps we should accept WW3 has already started and go help.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good try flecc. I, ve read much of your posts elsewhere. You still have not answered the question. Perhaps because it can't be googled.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A gangster with WMD. Yet you blame US and West for his encirclement. Which is utter rubbish. Have you seen size of Russia. We should have offered him a cup of tea, embraced his joining NATO/EU.I wonder where that would have ended. EU could have orchestrated free drugs for athletes, poisoned all...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Give up Flecc. Your entire attitude as been as apologist towards Putin. During the Salisbury episode every possible excuse for Putin was the narrative on here, from blaming Portland Down, claiming we hadn't proof it was Putin and using every possible situation to put route cause on our...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, it's an amazingly powerful tool. Suspect it is behind the restraint Putin is demonstrating at moment. He could have gone in far nastier. I worry situation he is starting to find himself in might make him lose any restraint he might feel.