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GOOD ! Open source it is ! That's why I suggested recording the talk, everyone else can then either see it or get a laugh, in the process. Oh I get my stripend tomorrow so please lets leave that day out and come back to it on Thursday. Lots of running around to do in other words. REGARDS...

WELL d8veh, i must say that that is still all Chinese to me. BUT~ Thanks for still coming back on it. { had thought THE MOVE was a demotion in some way } I WONDER~ would you be a Skype user, and if so would you consider a vid talk that way ? Recorded that is. I believe I've observed...

YES ~ @ last precisely. BUT the real key here as far as I'm concerned is " what force is required AND for how long is 1 down push of peddle " AND ~ how does that equate to the demand upon battery. AND~ YES I know that seems to be contradictory BUT ~ to me they are related.

NICE~ back to humour. BUT~ in short the Mechanical one, although the non-literal one also has some relevance.

With all due respect to you all ~ I do know what you are all getting irate about, BUT~ I also know what I'm attempting to achieve and whilst I can not refute the * irate * I must say that it is not as simple as that. ( i think i said that right at the beginning *** Man I wish it was that...

i'm glad you appreciate my paltry efforts, my physics degree was a long time ago, and i've been existing in the real world since then...so don't judge to harshly. my point was not to make money (although that is always good) my point is that to get beyond vague concepts and forum posts, you...

Now that was really interesting, had no idea. SO no, not what I have i mind, I start as said with what is already known and used as normal standard. K.I.S.S~ my standard~ even knowing it isn't. As far as I can see there is a *start point* the crank + whatever is required to power both...

Sorry ~ It's not that I'm not willing to elucidate, I am and have been (i think) and yes I do have something in mind AND it is something already proven albeit currently with problems. AND~ yes i do hesitate in being specific at the moment, not because I'm not sure but because as you can see...

SO help and not a joke, not possible with you lot then ? Shame really, I had in the back (now front) of my mind the hope that there would be 1 or 2 that would see the benefits of braking it down, if not for me then for all those youngsters trying to get their minds around all the *horrible...

*An engineer is a person that can do for a penny what any fool can do for a pound.* BUT~ try paying a penny. As for your reply, Ys no one done it then ? AND~ for someone who posts a quote such as you have, i would have expected better.

@ last~ getting all the *can't be done because of* out of the way, inevitable I suppose. AND~ to you flecc, thanks for getting systematic, sort of what i had hoped would happen right from the start. NOW~ would you all mind if *we* start by braking the conundrum down to it's constituent...

Strange, I seem to remember A POPE ~ saying something like * You can't break the laws of God * captain. AND look at you now..... an E-man having done just that !

GREAT ! a sense of humour, right from the start. ( a little sad though since it favours the down side )

Hello to all of you, * MAN I WISH IT WAS THAT SIMPLE * 1st my name is Lloyd, but I would rather you used YsFLY from here on in. OK~ So What am I about, well~ I contend that it is possible to power a bike *without a battery* . Not altogether sure how just yet but have what most of you will...