Yamaha 500w battery 2017

£850:eek:

https://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/eBike-Spare-Parts/Yamaha-eBike-500Wh-Battery

£850:eek:

https://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/eBike-Spare-Parts/Yamaha-eBike-500Wh-Battery

Crazy price and it would stop me buying a yamaha system.

Really don't understand this business model. A lot of the large purchases I have made have been due to the service I have received when making smaller purchases. If you limit the opportunities to show and prove your great service then this is surely detrimental to potential future purchases.

Plus all those sales add up, what a daft way to run a business.

Whatever you think about Martin's business model, £849 rather gives the lie to those on here who assert batteries are going to drop in price.

And to be fair to Martin, he does often have stock when no one else does.

He was one of the very few retailers who had a Bosch Classic battery when I wanted one.

I was also allowed to buy it, even though I've never bought a bike from him.

Really don't understand this business model. A lot of the large purchases I have made have been due to the service I have received when making smaller purchases. If you limit the opportunities to show and prove your great service then this is surely detrimental to potential future purchases.

Simon

I totally agree with what you say, if don't have confidence in a somebody / business you will proberly stay clear of them

Andy

Whatever you think about Martin's business model, £849 rather gives the lie to those on here who assert batteries are going to drop in price.

 

And to be fair to Martin, he does often have stock when no one else does.

 

He was one of the very few retailers who had a Bosch Classic battery when I wanted one.

 

I was also allowed to buy it, even though I've never bought a bike from him.

He might have a lot of stock but if you bought your bike somewhere else that's neither here nor there. I'm not even sure he can trade legaly by picking his customers!

He might have a lot of stock but if you bought your bike somewhere else that's neither here nor there. I'm not even sure he can trade legaly by picking his customers!

As I said, he sold me my battery - at a small discount - as a first time customer.

No business is obliged to deal with anyone.

To use the quaint legal phrase, an offer of something for sale is an 'invitation to treat'.

Strictly speaking, when you buy anything you make an offer to the seller who is at liberty to accept it, negotiate with you, or simply refuse your offer.

For the vast majority of transactions the process is streamlined, you offer the advertised price and the retailer automatically accepts it.

But it doesn't have to be that way.

1. hats the great thing about a free economy you can buy from anywhere you like, This opens up free competition and as product become more and more popular then you will have more and more competition.
   Take home computers in the late 80s there where lots of places you could buy them Time, Tiny, Crown, just to name a few the big retailers staid away at first as they where not classed as mainstream products. The service at the time from these other retailers was a joke if you had a complaint or needed help with your new tech it didn't exist. Once the product became popular and mainstream the larger retailers moved in PC World, Comet, Currys, Best Buy etc. The market further develops and the pricing becomes ultra competitive fantastic for the consumer but the competition kill each other. Leaving just a couple of players in the market place.
    
   The same will happen with E bikes now with the growth of Evans Giant Halfords stores etc they will soon dominate the market forcing prices down again great for the consumer however not so great for the smaller independent retailers who will survive from their reputation of service .
    
   Just my thoughts
    
    
   

I found an e bike shop that refurbishes E bike batteries and I Emailed them to see if it would be possible in the future when I need it.

They said it was possible but may be restricting it in the future to existing customers only.

Seems silly to me if E bikes are becoming more popular.

A giant battery costs £599 for my dirt E+2. Luckily I found a ex demo battery on ebay for £260 with only 30 miles on it. Want to try and future proof my investment a little.

The giant batteries are different to the yamaha batteries as they are more integrated into the frame even though the giant uses a yamaha motor.

Manufacturing cost for that Yamaha battery and is probably sub £200 including cells and electronics.

That leaves a kings ransome of a margin for the manufacturer, Distributor and Retailer alike, nice business if you can get it.

It's all about to change though, as battery cell production is ramped up by an order of magnitude never seen before, the current Panasonic cell is to be replaced by a higher density unit, then the fun will begin.

Retailers will not loose out, as volumes will increase, just a case of profit per unit will be less, the retailers will just have to work a little harder!

Edited December 24, 20169 yr by Rohloffboy

Yep soundwave, I guess that says it all.

I have asked my Son (31), what price he can get the Bosch batteries for, and this will be interesting as he is a Bike Tech that works in a retail bike shop, that does the Haibike Ebikes etc.

As I said, he sold me my battery - at a small discount - as a first time customer.

 

No business is obliged to deal with anyone.

 

To use the quaint legal phrase, an offer of something for sale is an 'invitation to treat'.

 

Strictly speaking, when you buy anything you make an offer to the seller who is at liberty to accept it, negotiate with you, or simply refuse your offer.

 

For the vast majority of transactions the process is streamlined, you offer the advertised price and the retailer automatically accepts it.

 

But it doesn't have to be that way.

You might think so ... That the seller is at liberty to accept or reject. .. There was is an interesting case in northern Ireland, within the current year , where a family bakery were taken to court by persons representing a marriage equality agenda ( same sex marriage) for refusing to ice a cake with slogans promoting this agenda. The bakery is was run by a family with strong religious convictions regarding the sanctity of traditional unions.

The bakery lost this case and the subsequent appeals

You might think so ... That the seller is at liberty to accept or reject. .. There was is an interesting case in northern Ireland, within the current year , where a family bakery were taken to court by persons representing a marriage equality agenda ( same sex marriage) for refusing to ice a cake with slogans promoting this agenda. The bakery is was run by a family with strong religious convictions regarding the sanctity of traditional unions.

The bakery lost this case and the subsequent appeals

That was a gay discrimination case,

The bakery owners were found to have demonstrated hostility to a particular group - gays - based on their membership of that group.

Not at all analagous to Martin who is choosing to offer accessories only to people who have previously bought a bicycle from him.

Except me, so I do wonder about the enforcement of the policy.

In response to Simon C's post about the growth in computing:

The market for computers was driven by the sudden widespread availability of the internet, the internet's adoption by lots of people, public bodies and businesses, and giant leaps forward in the hardware.

A more different situation to ebikes it would be impossible to imagine.

Growth in use is glacially slow and significant advances in technology are even slower,

Ebikes have been in and out of Halfords for years, and I think this is the third attempt by Evans to sell them.

Manufacturing cost for that Yamaha battery and is probably sub £200 including cells and electronics.

 

That leaves a kings ransome of a margin for the manufacturer, Distributor and Retailer alike, nice business if you can get it.

 

It's all about to change though, as battery cell production is ramped up by an order of magnitude never seen before, the current Panasonic cell is to be replaced by a higher density unit, then the fun will begin.

 

Retailers will not loose out, as volumes will increase, just a case of profit per unit will be less, the retailers will just have to work a little harder!

A bike shop operates on a margin of 30 to 40 percent on a big ticket item such as a bicycle.

If the shop is paying best part of £500 for a Bosch battery it would need to sell the item for best part of £700, which, surprise, surprise, is what happens.

You may think that a king's ransom, but you might also agree a bike shop is not a licence to print money, without a decent margin on large items many would close.

Your prediction the battery market 'is all about to change' looks unlikely.

The new cells - if we ever see them in ebike batteries - are another incremental improvement.

If the cells are better, they will sell for more money not less.

The ebike battery market is tiny, so even if cells do drop in price a bit, all the other costs of making an ebike battery will remain relatively high.

Not to mention general upward price pressure on imported manufactured goods.

I agree with RobF, as at this current point in time, Ebikes are relatively niche, but I am hopeful that will change.

The new Panasonic 2170 Lion Cell, will be the highest density Lion Cell in the world and also the cheapest, not my words but from Elon Musk himself!

So that will be the death nell for the 18650 Panasonic Lion Cell.

Of course all this is going to take time, and I don't expect my predictions to come to fruition until 2020, but you never know in this fast changing world.

That was a gay discrimination case,

 

The bakery owners were found to have demonstrated hostility to a particular group - gays - based on their membership of that group.

 

Not at all analagous to Martin who is choosing to offer accessories only to people who have previously bought a bicycle from him.

 

Except me, so I do wonder about the enforcement of the policy.

That was a gay discrimination case,

 

The bakery owners were found to have demonstrated hostility to a particular group - gays - based on their membership of that group.

 

Not at all analagous to Martin who is choosing to offer accessories only to people who have previously bought a bicycle from him.

 

Except me, so I do wonder about the enforcement of the policy.

The only point I was making in selecting that instance is that one's freedom to engage in commerce is more circumscribed than your initial statement would suggest . There were a number of conclusions and ramafications from that case regarding civil liberties with which I would have issue.