With all the chat about throttles,did we sign up to EN15194.

flecc

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I've previously read that we finally did and are subject to it. I can't remember that source though. However the April 2015 EAPC changes were enacted to remove the conflicts with EN15194, so we can take it that we did.

According to the ExtraEnergy site who should know what they are talking about on this subject, at 7th June 2013, only Britain and France had adopted EN15194 as compulsory.
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So does this make all homebuilt/kit bikes illegal ? Do the ones built before April 2015 have grandfather rights ?
 

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If they are unmarked yes they are illegal.
 

flecc

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So does this make all homebuilt/kit bikes illegal ? Do the ones built before April 2015 have grandfather rights ?
They are treated as legal if they complied with the pedelec law at the time of the build, i.e. the 1983 EAPC regulations, but allowed up to 250 watts rather than the 200 watts that specifies. They have grandfather rights.

Technically in law the pre-April 2015 situation here in the UK is extremely complex and constantly varying with the date of a build or first use, but I won't type out all the details since none of it will ever be applicable.
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only Britain and France had adopted EN15194 as compulsory.
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One very good reason why we should vote out of the EU - we are just too compliant with every damned law that the EU pass, whereas other countries either comply or not, according to their own political preferences.
 

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One very good reason why we should vote out of the EU - we are just too compliant with every damned law that the EU pass, whereas other countries either comply or not, according to their own political preferences.
Lancslass....I had a visit from a branch of HMRC to say that one of my businesses ,a very successful direct to consumer business should be vat registered and doing quarterly returns in 17 EU countries and that I needed to have an employee who could communicate in their language....my Lithuanian or Swedish is a bit rusty these days,hehe!
We have stopped chasing export business and have a cutoff at the vat limit,it is amusing telling a Swede in May that we cannot sell him any more bits until January next year.
Enough to make you vote UKIP....can you imagine that the HMRC lady's counterpart in say Greece is stopping them selling to say Belgium when they exceed 30,000 euros annual business.
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OldBob1

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That's why I was glad to retire and sell my company, fed up with the Red tape and bull sh*t.
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anotherkiwi

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My brother tried setting up a company in the UK. His visa was revoked and he was asked to move back to NZ...
 

Lancslass

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can you imagine that the HMRC lady's counterpart in say Greece is stopping them selling to say Belgium when they exceed 30,000 euros annual business.
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The Greek don't work enough hours in the day to exceed 30,000 Euros a year, that's one of the reasons they are bankrupt - bless!:rolleyes:
 

JohnCade

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The Greek don't work enough hours in the day to exceed 30,000 Euros a year, that's one of the reasons they are bankrupt - bless!:rolleyes:
No it’s because the wealthy Greek elites are mobile and international and don’t see why they should pay their taxes in Greece. That buy up Knightsbridge instead.

Meanwhile their corruption and the corruption of Greek governments who they were hand on glove with destroyed the economy. Helped by Germany which since the Euro has treated the whole Eurozone as its own backyard and has driven businesses in southern Euro countries to the wall by forcing down its own wages and production costs, and beggaring their neighbours who could not compete with their prices. They were happy to lend Greece and other poorer countries money to finance their imports from Germany until the crash, and then the debts were called in.