Well if I were Mr Wisper and on the very first review there were eight negative comments about the look and placement of the battery, and only one positive comment , I would be a little concerned. To simply say take it or leave it to that ratio of critical comments is, quite frankly, beyond belief, and that's putting it politely.
Wisper DaaHub arrives - what a bike!
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Eddieo
I'm pleased that you are pleased with the result................................however I was of the understanding that you were also going to report on my "simple spin test" together with any "drag" experienced when riding without power however you appear not to want to use your bike without power switched on.
I and my wife have a different purpose for this kit, assuming we buy! We want to extend our range by using the power to assist our return fron longish rides hence we wouldn't normally be using the power when on the outgoing leg of our rides hence "drag" is important to us.
That battery! it's all been said in other comments. Is there no way of mounting the battery on a rear rack? I realise it's all about personal preferences however we would not want the battery either on the down tube or on the rear seat post (we may not have sufficient clearance on the seat tubes). I really would like to choose where I put the battery and not have it presented to me as a design feature!
I've waited a long time for this kit to arrive and hopefully you may be able to help me with the challenges as detailed above. I really do hope so ............................. but I fear that this kit is fast becoming a non-starter in its current guise.
Best of luck with your new bike...enjoy it!
Regards
vectra
I'm pleased that you are pleased with the result................................however I was of the understanding that you were also going to report on my "simple spin test" together with any "drag" experienced when riding without power however you appear not to want to use your bike without power switched on.
I and my wife have a different purpose for this kit, assuming we buy! We want to extend our range by using the power to assist our return fron longish rides hence we wouldn't normally be using the power when on the outgoing leg of our rides hence "drag" is important to us.
That battery! it's all been said in other comments. Is there no way of mounting the battery on a rear rack? I realise it's all about personal preferences however we would not want the battery either on the down tube or on the rear seat post (we may not have sufficient clearance on the seat tubes). I really would like to choose where I put the battery and not have it presented to me as a design feature!
I've waited a long time for this kit to arrive and hopefully you may be able to help me with the challenges as detailed above. I really do hope so ............................. but I fear that this kit is fast becoming a non-starter in its current guise.
Best of luck with your new bike...enjoy it!
Regards
vectra
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The main thing Eddie is that the DaaHub performs to you expectations and aesthetics are of secondary importance, but it is difficult to ignore the battery when looking at the bike.
Functional it may be, but pretty it is not........ sorry
The KTM you have ordered is another kettle of fish entirely, nice styling
However, when it comes to conversion kits, I much prefer the one below..........but I would say that wouldn't I
Functional it may be, but pretty it is not........ sorry
The KTM you have ordered is another kettle of fish entirely, nice styling
However, when it comes to conversion kits, I much prefer the one below..........but I would say that wouldn't I
Hi Ed, the Daahub looks great, I agree with some of the comments re battery aesthetics though. I'm a little confused - Are you buying the KTM for mountain bike terrain only? Otherwise you will end up with two hardtails that will do the same job, albeit in slightly different ways? I'm sure the Daahub, being a hub motor, might not take the abuse of going up and down mountains?
Thanks Harry and eTim ! was getting a likle depressed until you 2 joined in (not really! lol) We just need a bike each for holidays and I will have the choice of 2 very different bikes to play with! doubt we would ever go off road as such! KTM bought simply on value for money is all
Just got back from test ride no 3
Did approx a mile locally on flattish terrain and it goes fine (what can you expect with 27 XT gears and a light bike)
On the flat in top with full power I was getting 22mph easy! and I am 16 stone and far from fit....
On the downhill it is absolutely frigtening...
Best thing of all? No more standing on the pedals over speed bumps or poor surfaces...This bikes sails, as its flys over them, because of weight I guess and the 28inch wheels?
my local hills, climbed much easier - simply down to gears and lightness I guess
It is quieter then the SB motor, even when hill climbing. I think in the Alpino it seemed louder...probably due to resonance and this is in such a gorgeous light frame
I never got out of large cog 9 XT gears where more then sufficient under power and climbed anything easily.
RIGHT! The battery again. Yes it could be prettier, but seriously I could not care less, the bike looks smashing......I never liked the look of it either from day one. But If it was not the shape of a house brick it would probably not be as suitable for as many frames. At least you have a choice of where you can fit it. The triangle on my bike is very angled it looks better in the NZ videos I thing within a larger triangle. So based on look you discount it, talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face, whats the alternative a BionX? Not for me!
I know I am not technically minded but I am far from daft and have been riding bikes for 30 years. This is quite simply the nicest E bike I have ever ridden and I find the criticism frankly laughable...you dont know what you are missing!
I tell you one think the Bosch wont be as fast.....
was getting a likle depressed until you 2 joined in (not really! lol) We just need a bike each for holidays and I will have the choice of 2 very different bikes to play with! doubt we would ever go off road as such! KTM bought simply on value for money is allJust got back from test ride no 3
Did approx a mile locally on flattish terrain and it goes fine (what can you expect with 27 XT gears and a light bike)
On the flat in top with full power I was getting 22mph easy! and I am 16 stone and far from fit....
On the downhill it is absolutely frigtening...
Best thing of all? No more standing on the pedals over speed bumps or poor surfaces...This bikes sails, as its flys over them, because of weight I guess and the 28inch wheels?
my local hills, climbed much easier - simply down to gears and lightness I guess
It is quieter then the SB motor, even when hill climbing. I think in the Alpino it seemed louder...probably due to resonance and this is in such a gorgeous light frame
I never got out of large cog 9 XT gears where more then sufficient under power and climbed anything easily.
RIGHT! The battery again. Yes it could be prettier, but seriously I could not care less, the bike looks smashing......I never liked the look of it either from day one. But If it was not the shape of a house brick it would probably not be as suitable for as many frames. At least you have a choice of where you can fit it. The triangle on my bike is very angled it looks better in the NZ videos I thing within a larger triangle. So based on look you discount it, talk about cutting your nose of to spite your face, whats the alternative a BionX? Not for me!
I know I am not technically minded but I am far from daft and have been riding bikes for 30 years. This is quite simply the nicest E bike I have ever ridden and I find the criticism frankly laughable...you dont know what you are missing!
I tell you one think the Bosch wont be as fast.....
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I don't like knocking someones new pride and joy. There is nothing worse than having something new and then people telling you that they don't like it. But, reluctantly, there are certain things which need saying:
The bike looks very nice and the motor arrangement is stealthy, which will appeal to a lot of people. However, I have to agree that the battery doesn't look right protruding from the seat tube in a cantilever arrangement. It all looks Heath Robinson and screams, "Garden Shed".
I'm please to hear that eddieo is happy with the bike in terms of both performance and looks, but I think that Wisper should reconsider that battery placement. It really isn't very good.
My suggestion for the battery position would be parallel with the tube which spans from the handle bar bearing to the pedal bearing, whatever that is called. The same as the Bosch bike. That looks really good and to some extent, enhances the overall appeal of the bike. Could this be done with the Wisper battery? or is it too wide, causing it to interfere with the chain ring / wheel? Supporting the battery in a uniformly distributed fashion would also be better than the cantilever too.
I'm afraid it all looks too a bit too garden shed in its present guise for my liking.
The bike looks very nice and the motor arrangement is stealthy, which will appeal to a lot of people. However, I have to agree that the battery doesn't look right protruding from the seat tube in a cantilever arrangement. It all looks Heath Robinson and screams, "Garden Shed".
I'm please to hear that eddieo is happy with the bike in terms of both performance and looks, but I think that Wisper should reconsider that battery placement. It really isn't very good.
My suggestion for the battery position would be parallel with the tube which spans from the handle bar bearing to the pedal bearing, whatever that is called. The same as the Bosch bike. That looks really good and to some extent, enhances the overall appeal of the bike. Could this be done with the Wisper battery? or is it too wide, causing it to interfere with the chain ring / wheel? Supporting the battery in a uniformly distributed fashion would also be better than the cantilever too.
I'm afraid it all looks too a bit too garden shed in its present guise for my liking.
Vectra. Just remind me why you want a spin down test? I think this has been said before, numerous times in fact, that it does not give you any useful information. Is there not a Wisper dealer reasonably near you for you to do your own test ride?
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Daahub electric bike kit- drag with motor turned off
Is there any drag when cycling with the motor turned off ??
Is there any drag when cycling with the motor turned off ??
I think the point we are making is that yes it will exibit drag but how much is quite subjective. I would have thought it is nearer to the tongxin than the old Bafang I have ridden - of course the new Bafang may be better than the old. I think in the end it is up to individuals to decide how much drag is acceptable. I am very fussy about it but would probably accept the dapush as a good compromise in an electric bike.
Ahhhh, so this is a 29er ? Now, looking at battery placement on this bike, Ed has it placed at the only logical point really, the seatpost option looks tight because the frame looks quite small and the seat low, with those bigger wheels, leaving not much option.
Sacrificed aesthetics in the pursuit of speed lol
Sacrificed aesthetics in the pursuit of speed lol
Harry Hi.
Why do I want a simple spin test? I picked up a BionX fitted bike a few months ago and spun the drive wheel. It did 2 revolutions; then stopped. I picked up the same model bike without the BionX kit and carried out my simple spin test. It spun freely and clearly with little resistance. Somewhere in between there must be an acceptable compromise.
We want to ride our bikes without power and the idea of pedalling an e-bike which feels like the brakes are partially on just doesn't appeal. Now, I studied Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and Electronic Engineering. I also have a degree in IT. My career was in Telecomms so I can understand the principles of mechanical resistance, etc etc etc however, as many have pointed out, the "drag" test is a personal one BUT I can think of no easier test to carry out than to ask a supplier to spin a wheel for me and then report back. It's about the simplest way of one person communicating the response of a system to another without getting into mathematics etc.
The test is simple, albeit subjective. Quite why any supplier would not wish to comment on a simple spin test is puzzling however I'll have to draw my own conclusions.
Put it this way. We have all waited and waited and waited for this kit to arrive. Personally, it disappoints in that the battery postion looks wrong however its appearance is comical in my opinion. Worse still is the lack of information from the supplier re' my spin test. It's disappointing however I'll move on....but without a DaaHub fitted.
Regards
vectra
OK! here by popular demand is one for all you wheel spinners out there! So dont fink I dont care because I do! lol
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There is a little noise I think from disc brake that probably needs setting up properly so this I think interfering with free spin.....But like I said earlier this bike rides fine without power? a revelation compared to any heavy moped like e bike that I have ever ridden....
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There is a little noise I think from disc brake that probably needs setting up properly so this I think interfering with free spin.....But like I said earlier this bike rides fine without power? a revelation compared to any heavy moped like e bike that I have ever ridden....
The Bionx motor is a direct drive type it will always have appreciable drag unpowered, the comparison to the geared motors is invalid. The Daahub motor has a freewheel like the Bafang etc and any spin down test proves nothing.
If the question was re-phrased to be: 'What conclusion do you expect to draw from Wisper doing a spin down test'. What would your answer be?
If the question was re-phrased to be: 'What conclusion do you expect to draw from Wisper doing a spin down test'. What would your answer be?
Of course what we need is for someone with both to ride both and then report back.
Even then its likely to be a personal opinion unless we get say ten of us to do it lol
That said I doubt ten of us from here could agree anything!
Regards
Jerry
To me this shows the nonsense of this test. I have ridden the Bionx and it is by no means a bad bike to ride without power. Certainly better in my experience that the Banfang and probably as good as the dahub - both would spin for longer if you would spin them by hand. There is probably a reason for the spin failure as the bionx does not have a freewheel but as I say pretty good in real life. If it wasn't so expensive I would go for one myself.
As I say try before you buy and forget the spin test as it is not giving you any useful information.
Same here, unpowered I'd prefer the BionX I've tried over the SBs I've tried any day
why doesn't eddio do what he says he will do ?, is it because the drag on this motor is so bad he is embarrassed to report on it !
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