Wisper Alpino 706 or Kalkhoff Agattu

[flecc]

Graeme, look what you've started...
I suggest we take the Harry Hill approach - Wisper or Kalkhoff, which is better?
There's only one to find out...

Fiiiiight!!

Neither, just different approaches. The lightning off the mark power of the Kalkhoff's Panasonic unit immediately starts to reduce effect as the speed gathers. Hub motor bikes do the opposite, tending to gain acceleration in the early stages of speed increasing.

The part pedal rotation delay that 10 mph has on the latest Panasonic unit still seems to be practically instantaneous compared with most e-bikes.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I agree Flecc, the bikes are simply different.

My suggestion for anyone who is undecided is to try them both.

All the best

David

 

[flecc]

I agree Flecc, the bikes are simply different.

My suggestion for anyone who is undecided is to try them both.

All the best

David

Absolutely, there is no "better", just differences which suit differing individual preferences. Trying before buying is the only sensible way to choose.

 

[Graeme]

Absolutely, there is no "better", just differences which suit differing individual preferences. Trying before buying is the only sensible way to choose.

Thanks to all for contributing.
BTW, just ignore paulmj21...he's from Glasgow...hope that explains his comment ;-)

flecc, this is the real difficulty, actually getting to try bikes.
I am fortunate enough to have a Wisper dealer in the area and I have to say I'd have no difficulty buying a Wisper on a number of counts. The quality is great and the commitment to customer satisfaction and support is excellent. It's just the fact that Kalkhoff or any other crank powered bike manufacturers/sellers do not have any outlets in Scotland, as far as I'm aware. To try a Kalkhoff or alternative crank powered bike would mean a round trip of hundreds of miles, and as I am trying to 'save the planet' would seem a bit counter-productive ;-)
I know that some dealers will send a bike on approval, that's great, but it would cost about £60 in curler charges to send back if it was not suitable.

What this customer needs is access to bikes, where EBikes are in the business cycle, (no pun intended) is probably early developing with fairly low distribution, the pace of development of eBike business networks seems to be powering on at a snails pace...with a heavy lead acid battery attached...and no throttle! ;-)

 

[flecc]

flecc, this is the real difficulty, actually getting to try bikes.
I am fortunate enough to have a Wisper dealer in the area and I have to say I'd have no difficulty buying a Wisper on a number of counts. The quality is great and the commitment to customer satisfaction and support is excellent. It's just the fact that Kalkhoff or any other crank powered bike manufacturers/sellers do not have any outlets in Scotland, as far as I'm aware.

The Raleigh e-bikes are, like the Kalkhoffs, made by Derby Cycles in Germany and are almost identical. The main difference is that they are sold through a dealer network and you can try them out. Here is the link to the Try Before You Buy page of the Raleigh e-bikes website where you can submit your postcode and get the nearest dealer.

 

[Mussels]

flecc, this is the real difficulty, actually getting to try bikes.

That was my problem a couple of years ago and I'm in London! There's a lot more in London now but at the time I just tried what was available, found it was suitable and bought it.